Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Nobody had any evidence of any of this happening pre 2019. But it happened. Now that we have had almost 2 years of experience of trends, government wording, etc we can all make a guess.

It is comforting to a lot of people if they tie every occurance down to presence of evidence. Others prefer to be aware when they see smoke. IMO there is a lot of smoke.

Well the reality is, this is a pandemic like no other in previous decades.

I read people comparing it to the Spanish flu but the Spanish flu’s high mortality rate was, in part, due to the virulence of the virus. Social differences also played a role. In 1918, people tended to live in close quarters and perhaps did not value hygiene as much. These factors can influence how quickly a virus spreads and how lethal it can be. It was also lethal for people in their 20’s when covid is not.

Infection rates with covid will continue to rise as will hospital cases but the truth is in the data. People aren’t dying and through extent of these “hospital admissions” requires further clarity and analysis.

How many of these cases were admitted to hospital becuase of the virus? You will find it to be very little.

The frustrating part of this thread is the negative slant people like to take, in the next breathe they refuse to actually try understand the situation.

Covid will be considered an endemic by mid next year. There won’t anymore lockdowns but restrictions will likely remain in the place for a year or so.

I won't, as I'll be out enjoying myself whilst a few on here will still be worrying about numbers and convincing each other of another lockdown.

I'm not putting my head in the sand, I'm looking at things objectively. If anything, I'd accuse others on here of looking at alarming headlines, screaming "lockdown, lockdown" before they retreat to putting their collective heads in the sand. I don't know if it's borne out of a fear of actual normality returning, an anti-vax agenda, or just plain trolling, but it has been clear for a long time that there is a cohort on here (not specifically you OP) who would only love for more restrictions, lockdowns, etc. Maybe so they could claim "I told you so" or "I won that argument".

As for the numbers, yes, I agree they don't look good. But we are approaching/at the peak. So a fall off would be expected from here on, where we will always have some infections, hospital admissions and, unfortunately, even deaths from covid. Look at the UK, they have accepted it. I would suggest others on here would do so as well and stop living in fear.

My god, the horror of that scenario. So some children who, in general, are not susceptible to the disease may contract it! And worse, they may pass it onto some vaccinated people, who have a very small chance of developing a cold. And what's that, they may pass it on further to more vaccinated people who also get the cold. Jesus, we better lockdown again so.

Once we begin to accept that Covid is endemic and will always be around, only then can we move on. Until then there will always be people scared and frightened of "cases", "de numbers", "outbreaks", which will be by-and-large meaningless when the whole country is vaccinated. And yes, some very few, unfortunate vaccinated people will still die, as the vaccines are not perfect, but that is life. Life isn't perfect, isn't without risk. Vaccines have significantly decreased the risk posed by Covid to the extent that we can move on. If we choose to.

You have a religious zeal some fundamentalist Christians would be jealous of.

I’ve seen this strange phenomenon amongst other people… they are not happy just to take the vaccine, worry about their own health and move one with their life, but actively want to hunt unvaccinated people down. It’s bizarre and slightly frightening if I’m honest. Like the witchfinder generals who hunted down “witches” in the Middle Ages. The same sort of archetype who in a different place and a different time might be in favour of rounding up kulaks or people with yellow stars on their chest.

If you got the vaccine, and it’s so great like you fervently claim, then what difference does it make if joe/Jane bloggs didn’t get it? You’re protected, great for you!

You can’t deny people rights based on what medical procedures they elect to take or not to take. That’s not how a free society works.

August 2020 0 vaccines in arms

August 2021 6 million vaccines in arms

There are groups, not just isolated individuals, against the use and normalisation of these internal passports.

Precedents for internal passports: the Soviet Union; present-day China.

Nutcases. I’m all for vaccination and everything, but there’s a sizeable amount of the population who are obsessed with being jabbed like collecting Pokemon cards or something. It’s bizarre. Everyone should be able to make their own decisions regarding what they take/don’t take into their body.

Liberty - the oldest human rights group in Britain, founded in 1934, write on their web site (libertyhumanrights.org.uk):

“We all want to get out of this pandemic as soon as possible but this must not be at the expense of our rights or freedoms."

"This has wider implications too because any form of immunity passport could pave the way for a full ID system – an idea which has repeatedly been rejected as incompatible with building a rights-respecting society."

"As there is no clear evidence vaccines prevent the spread of the virus, this move feels like an opportunistic detour rather than a serious route out of the pandemic. [..] We have always supported proportionate action to protect lives, but that must not come at the expense of our rights and freedoms.”