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Kerry Airport - News & Updates

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Kerry airport seemingly left out of any discussions:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0715/1235285-kerry-dublin-route/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭Neworder79


    More likely they didn't want commercial operator on the route as PSO cross subsidises red-eye hours ATC/Handling operations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭Masala


    Kerry probably have sour memories of how Ryanair walked out of the last Contract they had on the Kerry Dublin route after 7 months and left them high and dry. As sure as day follows night.... Ryanair will ditch this route within months. There is NO WAY they will run 2 flights a day averaging 25-35 passenger a rotation. Am I missing something here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Sorry for jumping into the thread, I just noticed it while trying to figure out the new boards. I never realised Aer Arann and Stobart air were one and the same..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    The Tralee and Killarney Chambers echoing the same concerns and asked that the PSO subsidy remains on standby just in case.


    Why would a profit at all costs airline like Ryanair want to even fly a route with such a large capacity plane it its deemed fairly certain load numbers will never fill such planes? Its not like there is a competitor on the route that they are trying to force out?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 586 ✭✭✭g1983d


    Preventing a competitor like emerald air getting going



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Private traffic seems to be picking up again to Kerry which is wonderful to see. The Hogs Head helicopters are also very active again.

    N800HH the Hogs Head plane is airborne from the US atm also, the first time it’s been Kerry bound for a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭andrewfaulk


    I don't think MOL would view Emerald as a competitor he has to worry about, it's Wizz air that are likely to eat his lunch!

    More likely Ryanair want to have the government owing them a favour, bear in mind they have been vocally very critical of the government's COVID policies for months.. The cost of operating the route is pocket change in the general scheme of things, even if the 738 is a lot too much aircraft for the demand



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭Masala



    We wont see Wizz Air again in ireland...... Ryanair ran them out of town for good!

    I see Ryanair say they will do it for 'free'...... can't see Dublin or Kerry dropping fees to make Ryanair look like some sort of Mother Teresa - Saviour of the Public Finances!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Hahn pushed back to November now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,612 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Airport press release is guaranteed to say its positive even if it was five hours late with one passenger on board, though!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,935 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Exactly - a success for Kerry is having the route back and hopefully pax numbers near what EI/Stobart did. That won’t be a success for FR with a 737.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,236 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    The fares are a good bit lower and the aircraft is, for many, preferred over a turboprop. I reckon numbers will easily surpass the Stobart service but certainly won't be viable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭Masala


    Dont know.... flight times are more suited to Students and OAP's. Might end up with business poeple going one way on the train and maybe use the flight on the other end. Getting a day's business done in DUblin from a Kerry businessman point of view is no longer an option.


    the BIG question for Kerry Airport is: ... How Long will Ryanair stay on the Route???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭embraer170


    I would be surprised to see this last for more than a few weeks.

    A Stobart ATR with 30 people onboard and the PSO subsidy was probably just about financially sustainable. A Ryanair 738 with the same number (if lucky given a less convenient schedule), no subsidy and paying VAT is a nothing but a money pit.

    Reading between the lines, I also don’t consider the Kerry airport statement particularly positive. Nothing on the website or Twitter feed either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Looks like Kerry got it’s first Max today with the STN-KIR-STN operated by a Boeing 737-8-200



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Casati


    Why don't people think Ryanair can grow passenger numbers?

    For example at €94 quid, I only flew Stobart from Kir to Dub if I was connecting to another flight, but at the €39.98 return that Ryanair seem to be charging for most flights, its way more affordable now, and rather than training or driving when I get back to weekly business trips to Dublin, I can image myself flying up a lot - its very possible I might do 20 return trips in 2022 versus 4 in 2019. The schedule from this Wednesday is moving to morning and evening, ideally timed flights imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭embraer170


    €20 one way gives Ryanair just over €15 after VAT (charged on domestic flights within EU states).

    That won't even cover the airport departure taxes, security charges and other handing fees. Even growing the market substantially, I cannot imagine getting anything above 30-40% load factors on a 189 seater Boeing 737-800. I would also argue that regular passengers on domestic flights are less likely to purchase ancillaries like checked luggage, priority boarding, food/drink or even seat reservations (why would you when you see quite empty flights).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,935 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    O’Leary said today they are committed until Feb 2022. I’d say that’s to give people some security around booking.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    757 due in from JFK in the morning. Anyone know the story there ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Board Walker




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭embraer170


    A lot of business jet traffic these days. Is there some golf event?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Titan 757 left at 12 again for JFK. Would have been quite a sight to see it takeoff it would have needed every inch of that runway



  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭You the man


    It needed every inch of it to stop on landing...

    I was there to see it..

    Taking off heavy would have been spooky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Any photos of the Titan Boeing 757?

    Not the first of the type in Kerry. There were a few 757 flights after the new runway opened in the mid-90s. I unfortunately can't recall the operator.



  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭You the man


    Heading for the stand.. Poor quality phone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Thanks for sharing. Good to see it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭Sikpupi


    I was in car park going to Faro on the Thursday and saw it landing..... looked perfect to me. Rolled perfectly into the Taxi lane and parked up. Just looked like a white Ryanair to me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,907 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    Wedding party charter I believe,

    Bussed to Waterville hotel, owners daughter, I think.

    Smooth take-off, from turning on the apron to airborne.

    Watched it from long-stay carpark and was up by the time it drew level with us.

    My guess would be 450mtrs of the 2km runway to spare, don't know if that's close or not.

    Mrs Username took video, I'll see if I can upload it later when she's about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Casati


    Has there been any further public announcements re the DUB-KIR route? Is it going to stay I wonder, fingers crossed we don't see Emerald Air on it anytime soon



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,189 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    I don’t think Ryanair will be staying on it long term …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭Masala




  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    Have been on it a number of times now over the past few months. Always about 30-35% load factor I would estimate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Casati




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Casati


    I don't dislike Emerald but I'd bet you anything if they take over the fare will be back to the typical €95 'advance purchase price' that Aerlingus/ Stobart Air had, which is just too expensive for most people - certainly too expensive for me.

    Ryanair typical €40/ €45 fare is cheaper than the train and cheaper than petrol/ diesel. If it was advertised I could see the load factor increasing greatly, especially when tourism gets back to normal



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,189 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    Because it’s not sustainable unless there’s suddenly an almighty shift in peoples domestic travel behavior… unlikely.

    Ryanair are flying very very low number of passengers on the route relative to the capacity their jets provide. There are no doubt many many other routes they can fly in the future where they can actually fill that plane and make more money on fares. So it wouldn’t make business sense for them to continue with the route as it is. Maybe they’ll create a market for it but they didn’t before and same for Dublin-Cork route so I think it’s very unlikely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Casati


    Ryanair have proven they are able to change peoples travel behaviour with all their weird routes where they get tens of thousands flying into places they had never heard of before - a bit of local promotion would get a lot of people like me who typically Visit Dublin weekly moving off the train/ car onto the plane. Dublin- Cork is now less than two hours driving so flying make no sense from a time perspective so its not the same as Kerry which is generally 3.5 hours driving time.

    I also applaud Ryanair for not taking public money to operate this route- where as Emerald will no doubt be going cap in hand for money if they take on the route in the future. Its a route that could also drive a lot of tourism into Kerry, something that doesn't seem to be marketed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭Masala


    I also applaud Ryanair for not taking public money to operate this route-

    .....they might regret it now that they are on the route and they not getting the numbers they swore they would get!!! It must be hitting them badly in the pocket. Loads of tourist interlined into Kerry and that option now gone. Also different terminals a big problem. Not everything Ryanair touches turns to gold..... and they no Mother Teresa when it comes to having the hand out for financial supports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭faoiarvok


    It’s not “cap in hand” when the Government is actually asking companies to tender for a contract…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Casati


    Good point re booking through to KIR- I did it myself on trips to the U.S. and often the cost difference between DUB or KIR as destination was minimal - equally though the domestic market going to Kerry on holidays is massive, or indeed going there as part of a trip starting and ending in Dublin.

    Is there a source you have for getting the numbers flying on this (or any) route?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭Masala


    Passenger numbers for all airports can be found on the CSO site under Aviation Stats.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Dublin route down to 1 daily until the end of the month

    All other Ryanair routes dropped for the month with the exception of 3x weekly Luton



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Hahn is now cancelled for February too. The UK routes are still bookable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭lordleitrim



    In the absence of new routes, its nice to see increased frequencies for Alicante, Faro and Manchester.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭embraer170


    A pity the Berlin flight isn't coming back.



  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    Alas, it never even had the opportunity to get off the ground to begin with.

    Considering how strong Kerry is as a destination in the German market, it's strange that no progress has been made in developing routes between Kerry and Germany. Indeed, the frequency to Hahn is a lot less now than it was in the early years.

    You would think that there'd be scope for a service to, say, Glasgow too.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,539 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Why hasn't the Berlin flight come back though? It seemed to be pretty popular. I only flew it once but it was pretty close to full, and this was in January.

    Came across this article too about a possible flight to Amsterdam being turned down, although I couldn't read due to the paywall.

    To be honest I'm not entirely sure how viable this would've been with daily flights from Cork. Might've been demand for a late morning flight as the Cork ones are 6am? Who knows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭Sikpupi



    Ryanair are out of Schoenfeld..... and told they have to operate out of Brandenburg Airport. This is a full-cost airport with all the big boys flying in there (Aer Lingus/ Lufthansa/ Air France etc) and Ryanair wont pay the charges ... simple as!!!

    'BERLIN' is now Brandenberg - there is no Tegal or Schoenfeld anymore.

    Ryanair will pay the charges out of Dublin where they will get the fares and the masses ( as in the same model they have into Amsterdam...) as they have no choice but at least they are guaranteed to fill same at high fares. The days of flying to Berlin from Kerry for €100 return are GONE GONE GONE.

    Same for any operator who thinks they can start a service from Kerry to Amsterdam Schipol..... the airport charges are going to be full charges and the key Landing slots will be kept for the big boys. Why would Kerry people think there is a need for an Amsterdam route.... it La La Land stuff.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,539 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Thanks for the explanation. Always good to know why functional routes disappear even if it isn't always what we want to hear!

    Would there be any workable route to another European capital from Kerry where the airport charges wouldn't be so high?



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