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Will there ever be an openly gay Premier League footballer?

  • 31-08-2021 2:05pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭its_steve116


    Or is the sport far too intolerant for that to happen?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,861 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    I don't think the sport has any feelings at all.


    Will a Gay footballer come out while being a premier league player. I can't see it happening anytime soon there would be too much pressure from the terraces waiting for any perceived incident to harass the player over.

    The red tops in England have a huge part to play in this too for me as look at how they already treat young black English players. Would they go easy on a player if he came out as gay or would they be out trying to catch them in a personal situation and thus putting them under even more pressure. I think they would.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    There are still too many knuckle draggers on the terraces and in the media to make it comfortable for a player to come out as gay. It would be great if no one gave a fck and it was ok for players to come out, but that's sadly far from the case.

    Having said that you would think more players would have come out as gay after they retired from playing but only a few have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 755 ✭✭✭foxsake


    the media will do nothing but cheerlead

    In fact any negative reaction won't be much to the gayness itself but the vomit inducing fawning and heralding of a new hero by the media (and social media heroes) instead of treating the player like a normal player.

    Its a bit weird the over zealous clamour in some circles to nearly demand a gay player instead of just watching them to play ball.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    It's the politicisation of absolutely everything by progressive zealots


    Ruins everything so why not football too ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    The media won’t be a problem, the opposition fans or some opposition fans will.

    if a journalist for a media outlet / publication said anything vaguely controversial regarding a players sexuality you’ll have advertisers leaving en masse... advertising pays the bills revenue would plummet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,580 ✭✭✭✭Riesen_Meal


    Whatever happened to Ronnie and the UFC fighter fella?


    👀


    Was rumours he was seeing a guy a few years ago but sure he has a wife now...



    Link for those who care about who he sleeps with...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    What bigots see as "progressive zealotry" is often just a reaction to years of bigotry. It'll settle down eventually, and a sportsperson coming out as gay will be about as much of a story as, I dunno, appearing on pitch with a different hairstyle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    The WOKE clergy would hate if they had nobody to yell bigot at

    If 5% of the premiership came out tomorrow as gay and the reaction was a shoulder shrug ,the next SJW movement would be about how trans footballers need to come out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,430 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Cristiano Ronaldo would make love to himself if he could, if that counts...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 Senior


    No, won't happen. The abuse at the stadiums would be bad, add in the social media harassment and it would be enough to drive anyone over the edge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    Back in the 1990s there was a Premier League soccer player by the name of Graeme Le Saux.

    He was straight and married with kids.

    However he endured over a decade of homophobic abuse from fellow professionals and fans.

    The reason was because he collected antique furniture and read the Guardian newspaper.

    Eventually he snapped after being taunted by crypto-rodent Robbie Fowler and elbowed him in the face.

    If Le Saux had to endure all that just because he read a newspaper with more words than pictures, imagine what an openly gay player would have to go through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,613 ✭✭✭bassy


    The arse sterling..............sticks out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,909 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Although he only played for the smaller clubs and didn't admit it until his days on the field were nearly over most people had an idea Justin Fashanu was kicking with the left foot because he made no secret of the fact he was going to gay nightclubs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,763 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    Hassle from fans aside you would think it would be marketing genius to be the first



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭BobHopeless


    Please no more politics or social justice guff in sport. It's already been tarnished by this take a knee rubbish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    I suppose when you think about it if someone came out as gay they would be defined as the gay footballer especially by the media. Whenever the players name would be mentioned the word gay would also be included. Also he would he put on a pedestal as a role model for gay teenagers. Football is a competitive environment I could definitely see why no one wants to go first instead of keeping the head down and playing football. I definitely think media are part of reason why because most of public couldn’t care who is gay or who is straight. Then again there some ‘fans’ are pr*cks.

    It’s probably easier after you retire to come out but very few have. It’s not just football though some other sports are the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭irishgrover


    Its' funny how a simple question has triggered a load of people with a certain mindset "Social justice guff", "take the knee rubbish", "WOKE Clergy", "SJW movement", "progressive zealots", "vomit inducing fawning and heralding of a new hero" .... all this is one page 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    this point exactly........funny how the other half of the thread is people pointing out that an out male footballer (cause there are loads of out female players) would almost definitely get abuse from opposition fans. i seem to remember ashley cole apparently becoming the most famous closeted person in the uk after he left arsenal and that his marriage to cheryl was just a front



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    It's funny that as backward as the GAA is sometimes portrayed that Donal Og came out over a decade ago and no one really batted an eyelid and he's a permanent fixture now on The Sunday Game.

    David Gough is a gay gaelic football referee and no one seems to care either. He's probably one of the more liked referees by supporters.

    I can't see it happen in football (soccer) any time soon. There are just too many knuckle-draggers in the stands. Someone mentioned Graeme le Saux earlier from the 90s being abused even though he wasn't gay, I don't think things have moved on since then really which is really strange considering wider society has.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,566 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Is there any openly gay players in any of the top four divisions in England? if not then obviously gay players just wouldn't be able to live the stick from opposition fans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭its_steve116


    To my knowledge there are openly gay players in the eighth and ninth divisions - in the case of the latter, a bisexual player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,566 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I wonder as a bisexual player would you get half the abuse as a gay player ?? obviously booing and abuse from crowds sometimes effects even the top players so it is a sorry situation that even players from Division 2 (old division 4) can't come out. Football can be backward in some respects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Donal Og is dreadful as a pundit , one can only presume he got the gig for the same reason ( the equally dreadful ) Louise Byrne on Prime Time did ?

    a diversity quota needed to be met





  • Unlikely in this lifetime.

    That reminds me of the abuse John O'Shea used to get. Rumours about him being gay started circulating and he got abused every week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭passatman86


    You have high standards, would you settle for a championship player. Whats your type


    Edit Thomas HItzlsperger - but i think he was retired



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Classy guy, after being in a relationship with a girl, he ditched her one month before he was due to marry her, after being together EIGHT years ! Imagine wasting 8 years of a girls life like that, actually proposing to her and then... “ ohhh I’m gay, see ya “ that’s beyond evil.

    there has to be a few but I’d say more will come out in time.... society has to change a bit or football society.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,853 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    It seems like there aren't any openly gay professional footballers anywhere in the world, that's pretty incredible when you think about it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭passatman86




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭uch


    As a fan who goes to games every week, I find it insulting to try to categories players, I regularly call players donkeys or worse, but why does anybody have to bring a players sexuality into any conversation in a game of football, who cares, when you are on the terraces, nobody cares if a player is LGBTQ or anything else, they only care if they are shité or not, if a player needs to come out so be it, but if you are wondering about why there isn't more player out, perhaps there isn't that many,

    21/25



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    be alot more evil to continue in the relationship to be honest

    nobody cares if a player is LGBTQ or anything else - given the abuse some players who arent even gay have received that simply isnt true



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭sprucemoose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    In an ideal world nobody would care about the sexuality of a player. Nobody would care about the race of a player. Nobody would care about the religion of a player. They'd just be players. But in reality representation matters massively. Everyone can make predictions but ultimately none of us know what the fallout would be to there being a top level gay footballer in England in 2021. I've heard people say the marketing potential would be so massive that any gay footballer would be crazy not to come out, but to me that overlooks so many aspects of a players career from the dressing room (which I really believe would largely be positive), to fans (both own and opposition), to social media (you can only imagine what that player would have to deal with directly or indirectly), to club ownership (backlash against the club in certain cultures for having an openly gay player on the books would put massive strain on club chairmen). And a player's career is relatively short, they've got a chance in a short window to make as much money as they can for themselves and their family and who really wants to jeopardies that by putting untold scrutiny upon yourself. When the last player in your shoes ended up committing suicide, is it worth it to be a representative for the community?

    Just to bring this one home, I'm gay, I've played football my whole life, I love it. But they are two things that, at grass roots, don't always go hand in hand. I can't even imagine how difficult it would be at the top level. Representation matters, it'd be a fantastic thing to be able to point to a player and say you can pursue a career in football and live openly and happily, but in a sport where everything is hyper-analyzed imagine putting yourself under the microscope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,580 ✭✭✭✭Riesen_Meal


    Always wondered about why that one went quiet, was a girl in Vegas apparently, he could be bisexual but raping any person, regardless of sex, he should be in jail....


    There are a lot of money chaser's out there, and he has a lot of money, so obviously something like that can happen also...


    No one knows other than himself what happened...


    Neymar apparently raped someone also and it entirely came out not long after that it was completely fabricated



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  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dunno how much detail is still out there but his statement on it was floating around a while ago and it was basically an admission, I was surprised to read something as damning in a situation that wasn't confessing to a court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Evil that he entered into it in the first place... he did continue.. 8 years !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭storker


    Those two egos colliding could cause a rip in the space-time continuum.

    Regarding the OP, hasn't it already happened with Justin Fashanu? (Edit: answered on previous page by GalwayGuy.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    i imagine he didnt really realise his orientation at the start or felt he could 'change' if he were in a relationship with a woman. gareth thomas was married for close to 10 years i think before he was honest with himself and realised he was gay. sure phillip schofield was married with kids for ages and hes only come out recently

    evil is a very harsh word to use, i really doubt he entered into the relationship with any sort of malice. its tough on his former partner of course but i wouldnt call him evil in any way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    How does one have children, go through the process of procreation... then... “yes I’m gay”...

    surly worse case scenario he or anybody in that situation has to be bisexual, even bisexual and preferring men ?

    then again I know a guy with two kids in their late teens who is now in a relationship with a guy... so it happens.... I just don’t get it, he also identifies as gay....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    to be honest this seems like more of a you problem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Ronaldo has got to be gay, did you not see the two gay goals he scored last night and the way he celebrated at the end in that gay way 😶



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 755 ✭✭✭foxsake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭uch


    Have you even read my post, I said nobody cares if a player is Gay the all get the same amount of abuse, this post was about why aren't there more LGBTQ players, the answer is who cares, but you can't seem to be able to read properly so off you go

    21/25



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    I'd say Ronnie is bisexual tbh. Also wouldn't be that big of a deal tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I don't think it's an issue with fans etc. I think the biggest hurdle is the media. Suddenly you become "The Gay Footballer". Before every game BT/Sky request you to do the token interview. You suddenly are forced to become an "activist". Anything that happens in the world and the media will be asking for your opinion on it. You genuinely won't be treated the same. If you get dropped its big news. If you transfer, it's massive. You'll have club PR departments turning your arrival into Mardi Gras.

    If you are a private person person, just likes playing football, the hassle would be unreal.

    There are benefits. You are 100% guaranteed a punditry gig after retirement. You'll probably walk into coaching roles. Loads of endorsements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    I think dressing room "culture" has remained distinctly laddish particularly at lower league level. Coming out in such an environment could prove daunting for a gay player perhaps fearing mistrust and suspicion of him among team mates who may be closed minded and intolerant of the homosexual lifestyle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,449 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    It’s just not true to say that nobody cares. Plenty of people DO care, and the idea that they all get the same amount of abuse is also untrue. I don’t have any particular interest in English football, they’re all gay if you ask me, gayest sport going, but to suggest that fans of the sport wouldn’t care if players were gay is ludicrous.

    Look at how players are treated if it can be suggested they’re gay, as if being anything other than straight is unthinkable. That’s why it appears to you as though “nobody cares”, nobody cares as long as it is assumed that all football players are straight. Wouldn’t want to ruin the image of the beautiful game if it came out that some players with massive endorsement contracts by male grooming products take two bottles into the showers 🤫



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    I mean on a general level that might be absolutely true. And obviously factors like the age of the player, their standing in the club ect. would all inevitably play a part. Though I do always subscribe to the notion that if you know someone, see them nearly every day of your life, talk to them and they happen to be gay you end up with people who become far more understanding and empathetic. In my opinion the least of the issues would be the dressing room. Though again personally I found it very daunting to come out in a locker room that was, presumably, all straight guys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Ronaldo wouldn't have time for men or women.


    He's far too busy making love to himself.



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