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US and Nato withdrawal from Afghanistan...- threadbanned users in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,584 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Even if they have pilots and mechanics who they force to maintain/fly the planes they are worthless without rockets/ammo.

    What do you think the Taliban will do? Force them to fly a plane or a helicopter to do what?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    People keep talking about the aircraft they have captured and trouble finding trained pilots and the techs.

    A bigger long term issue they will find is sourcing spares and as alluded to above the ordinance that may go with some fire systems.

    I don't think Sikorsky will be providing spares for Blackhawks, McDonnell Douglas/Boeing supplying spares for the MD 530s or Cessna spares for the C208s.

    It is also questionable whether Embraer in Brazil will give Tucano spares.

    The only hope the Taliban have is that the Russians or ex soviet block supply spares for the Mi-8/Mi-17s and any Mi-24/Mi-35s they have.

    Granted they could do a lot of damage in of themselves.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭thomil


    While you may be right about the Blackhawks, both the MD530s and the Cessna Caravans are widely sold in the civilian world. The same goes for the Pilatus PC-12s that they have. Getting spare parts for them is mostly going to be an issue of funds. Now, installing them is another matter. As rugged as a Cessna Caravan may be, you still need a technician that actually knows what he's doing.

    You don't need weapons to use aircraft effectively, especially if your likely enemy has no air force of their own to counter you. The ability to fly reconnaissance missions or airlift troops to a certain location is a pretty major factor in itself. And you don't need fancy rockets or guided missile to supress fire in a landing zone long enough to drop your troops, .50 cals in door mounts in whatever helicopter you're using will do the job just fine. Once again, the question circles back to the original issue: Are there enough Afghan Air Force veterans left in the country that are willing, or can be "convinced" to work for the Taliban to ensure that a decent amount of aircraft are operational? That's the one million dollar question here.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr



    Yeah, I can't of any incident where jihadis weaponized an airplane.....

    but...but...they won't be able to fly them

    but...but... even if they can fly them they won't able to maintain them

    but..but.... even if they can fly and maintain them they'll run out of ammo at some point

    but...but,,,, even if they could fly and maintain them and managed the basic task of arming a **** machine gun or cannon maybe someone would shoot them down.

    but....but.... endless scutter



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,584 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    "50 cals in door mounts in whatever helicopter you're using will do the job just fine."


    Stop watching Rambo movies 🤣



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,584 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Another keyboard warrior who hasn't a clue what they are talking about 🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Ref, Rory Stewarts quote " Afghanistan is a Country with 22'000 villages, towns and a few cities " now thats some patchwork quilt of different territories and ethnic groupings. And in the past, when they were not united fighting a common enemy, the kept in trim fighting amongst them selves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,443 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Unfortunately, the amount of ammo rounds for all weapons left behind is in the tens of millions,,ditto rockets etc. And even if they did manage to destroy ( and they did mount several attacks ) several munition dumps, there is still far to much left. No, what ever else will bother them, it will not be a shortage of ammo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,584 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,334 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    People keep trying to make this sound as if it was the Yanks that "left" this military equipment "behind". It was handed down to the Afghan National Army to use as their own equipment. If it was anyone's responsibility to make sure that this stuff didn't fall into the wrong hands, it was the ANA's at that point. The US were never bringing this stuff back with them and they didn't have the resources in Afghanistan to make sure it was all destroyed after the ANA downed tools.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The first flight of the Taliban airforce took place over Kabul today ,a single Blackhawk Helicopter flew patrol's with a man dangling from a rope as it circled the city ...


    Didn't honestly think they would get a Blackhawk up



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Why would they want to mount 50 cal machine guns in aircraft that are already weaponised to the hilt??? Thats what war planes / helicopters are, moveable weapons platforms. And as for weaponising Toyota / Hilux pick-up's, they are past masters at that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, but their likely enemy this time round will not be a mega world power, fighting a war thusands of miles away from home. It will be against the likes of Isis K, or internal enemys, Ahmad Masoud or others who may at some stage decide to fight back. And these groups wil be fighting on their home ground. And that will make a big difference.



  • Posts: 3,689 [Deleted User]


    Well, at this stage of my life anybody worth their salt would note the Cubans' ingenuity in keeping 1950 vintage cars on the road. A car can't drop out of the air though, if it breaks down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,584 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Does this look like it's going to be flying ever again?





  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Couple of shout outs to China there from Joe 😄



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,572 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Just in case anyone else is confused, it was a dead man. I was thinking it might be a guy showboating or something...



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Taliban goes green:

    "A Taliban official says the extremist group will help the world tackle climate change now it has seized power in Afghanistan, as environmental activists flee the new regime.

    Abdul Qahar Balkhi, a member of the Taliban’s Cultural Commission, told Newsweek that the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan wants to work with the global community."



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    If only they all were in the same condition,, and believe it or not I'm not convinced that the one in the pic is beyond repair, now if it was just a burned out wreck, I'd be far happier. unfortunately the majority are not like that,they are armed and dangerous. They have shown a blackhawk flying over Kabul with a body dangling underneath Which belies all the soft talk emanating from the Taliban leaders.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    At least they won't need to hand out stingers to get rid of them , black hawks are easy enough to take out from the ground and air



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭buried


    Time for Eamon Ryan to do his international duty and p!ss off over there

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,930 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    I was refering to the fact that they will still be drones



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,326 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    How do you know the majority are not like that?

    Also,

    Claim

    A video shows an American interpreter being hanged from a Black Hawk helicopter flown by the Taliban.

    This video is real (although its date is unclear), but it does not show a person being hanged. It shows a person in a harness who can be seen waving to people on the ground.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,584 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    "unfortunately the majority are not like that,they are armed and dangerous."


    Again you make a statement of fact without posting a source for your claim.


    You think the one pictured is not beyond repair? Have you any idea about how fragile helicopters really are? That's just the outside, a few wires ripped out from the inside and that things a very expensive plant holder 🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    That was an unambigous statement to all Afghans... we are back.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,998 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Cut to scene of top Taliban officials driving around Kabul in a fleet of brand new Toyota Priuses.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,248 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    They will need some amount of fuel to run the US equipment they have



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    A journalist Lynne O'Donnell was on the tonight show VM 1 last night and said the Haqqani network were behind the bomb that kill loads of people.

    The leader is second in command in taliban Sirajuddin Haqqani she said.

    So it seems ISIS-K weren't behind the bomb but blamed on it to get US to bomb them.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭buried


    These lads weren't long learning the ways of the modern corporate bull$hitocracy to go along with the 114 chapters in the Quran they also have to learn off by heart

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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