Australian Response

Because they're vaccinated, you half-wit.

Looks like one loon has lost the plot to me, stating some obvious crap. From my understanding (I have family over there) the majority are on board.

Granted there is a sizable minority who are the loons

Thought you were in Amsterdam.

You've asked this question before and have had an answer. You know that nobody is advocating indefinite lockdown; it is dishonest of you to pretend that they are.

Why are you doing this?

To be honest, i dont think he reads this thread at all. Just logs on, posts his daily one or two sentence rant about Australia being a concentration camp and turning into north korea, then off he goes on his merry way.

At current vaccination rates, Victoria won't reach the 70% target until 31 October. Vaccination rates would have to improve dramatically to get there by the end of September.

\While there is much talk about vaccine resistance, it's unknown how big a factor this is in reality; the limiting factor on vaccination rates is not the reluctance of people to accept vaccination, but the inability of the authorities to supply it. So dramatically increased vaccination rates would require a dramatic increase in the supply of vaccines. Realistically, this can't be achieved by redirecting supplies from other states (even if the feds were willing to do that); Victoria is too big, and the supply of vaccines to other states already too constrained, to allow diversion of supplies on the scale that would be required. So the only way this is going to happen is if the feds manage to obtain supplies of vaccines at a much higher rate than they are currently obtaining them.

From the experience of other countries you won't see real indications until the vaccination rate is over 50%. Even so the hesitancy rate does come down as the programme progresses. France at one stage were at 35%. The question will be how to deal with a slowdown in uptake, if it happens.

Sure. I'm not saying that there [i]won't[/i] be a vaccine hesitancy problem; just that as yet we have little idea of what the scale of it might or might not be. It's eclipsed by the constraints on supply.

Lockdown is just kicking the can down the road. Australia successfully kicked it. They won some time but they wasted it. Now they have to face reality, zero covid utopia has shattered.

The let the virus run and learn to live with it position is a perfectly valid and coherent one and has been put forward by epidemiologists and doctors throughout the world.

"More and more physicians and public health officials are warning that even with the mass rollout of safe and effective vaccines, Covid may permanently establish itself.

White House coronavirus advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci, Moderna CEO Stephane Bancel and World Health Organization executive director of the Health Emergencies Program Dr. Mike Ryan have said in recent weeks that the coronavirus may never go away."

"Singapore has decided to give up on the dream of covid-zero and will instead learn to “live with the virus,” according to the country’s Prime Minister, Lee Hsien Loong on Sunday. The decision comes despite the fact that Singapore has one of the highest covid-19 vaccination rates in the world, with 80% of the adult population fully vaccinated—second only to the country of Malta’s 82%."

""We've been told that this virus will disappear. But it will not," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor at the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine and medical director of the National Foundation For Infectious Diseases, tells CBS News.

"We need to control it. We need to diminish its impact. But it's going to be around hassling us for the foreseeable future. And by that I mean — years."

"Professor Karol Sikora, an expert in medicine at the University of Buckingham, told MailOnline: 'All deaths are very emotional and upsetting... but it's important we embrace Covid like we have other viruses because it will become a normal feature in society.

'We should consider it a success if we bring it [Covid deaths] down to levels comparable with flu deaths every year. We will never achieve zero Covid.' 

Cambridge University epidemiologist Dr Raghib Ali told MailOnline that once July 19 comes and most of the adult population have been given a vaccine: 'It's my view that we will be in as strong a position as we ever will be. Prolonging restrictions beyond that point doesn't achieve much.'

Asked what an acceptable number of Covid deaths would be, he added: 'If you look at deaths and excess deaths from influenza, the Government tolerates numbers up to about 50,000 [per year].'

Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister, told Times Radio: 'We have to accept that this virus will circulate, and it will be the case, unfortunately, that in winters to come we will find that people contract it or subsequent variants and they will fall ill."

And so on, and so on.

Well he's had 2 days to back up that statement re Israel & Scotland as a user responded almost immediately with the post

"Lockdown in Scotland??? When's this happening?"

So far radio silence = trolling

If you appose public health measures to stop the spread of decease and needless deaths of people, you are a loon. Welcome to 2021