Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2024/25

Well they have greizman there on a higher salary now

Infairness to Chelsea they have been operating on a self sufficient model for a while now, they brought in lukaku but sold about the same.

I'm just frustrated, we put together this world class XI on a shoe string and just haven't added to the squad to keep it fresh and competitive. No one is asking for 100m signings but a youngish experienced midfielder and a forward with potential.

Oil tell you the difference between them and us.

There's more to it than the financing though. Would he have been guaranteed the same level of games as he will be at Chelsea? Probably not. If you're going on loan you probably want to be guaranteed to start every week.

Massive outlay of 12 million

Glad that's all over but if it blows up again we have to wonder why with this golden period of having world class players in most positions isn't being used to go for as much glory as we can. Invest when at the top to stay competitive.

We know what the lean years are like..don't want that back.

Christ, look at what Arsenal just spent. Wouldn't want any of the players they bought but still...

Sure, they are self sufficient, if you discount the £1.3b Roman has pumped in to the club up to 2020. Of the current top 4 (last season) we and United are the only clubs that are self sufficient. Chelsea and City spend what they want as they have either a country to back them - pick and choose a new sponsor to pay for a player from that country - or an owner who benefited and now is spending money you can argue should be for the people in Russia.

You know what, give me moaning Liverpool fans any day over having to support a club like that. I don't know how I would be able to support a club like Chelsea or City, knowing where the money comes from. Yes it will mean we aren't spending £80m net every year, but at least we aren't buying success either.

And for those wondering where our money goes, we have a huge wage bill. Those players some despair are now wasting their talents at this club in their prime is being paid a lot of money. We were consistently top 3 in terms of wages the past 3 years. We have signed most of those players to new contracts as well. That costs money. You may not like to hear it, doesn't mean it isn't true.

What if the Premier league tell Fifa to do one ?

Firmino is injured so makes no difference to him.

I think it will bite us if the Egyptian FA decide to do the same.

Who says they're in decline? Some had a poor year last time out but doesn't mean its terminal. Injuries are injuries hasn't seemed to have any detrimental affects on the players concerned. Time will tell on both counts but that manager doesn't seemed worried so why should we be given we know significantly less about the squad than he does?

MC got 87 points last season, given the previous years, hardly a stroll and a points total that we as well as others are well capable of exceeding. Including MC.

Yes I am saying our squad is at least as good as it was in summer 2019 until proven otherwise. I'm taking last season to be a blip and even in that blip we were well in the race until a mental run of defeats at the start of the year. A very out of character run of defeats too.

Listen I'd have loved another couple of players in and I think it's a mistake not to do so but I can think that and still be happy about the ability of the Squad we have. The other clubs have spent money and spent it well but the reasons they had to was to try reach the level that Man City and ourselves set in the last few years. We're already at that level if players maintain top form and stay fit. Which is the big question for any squad not just ours.

Nobody knows why we didn't do sign some lads, we've shown in the past the club won't settle for second best, they wait for their man, maybe that's it. It's pointless blaming the owners when nobody knows the actual reason for us not signing any which I'd imagine are many in number and more complex than the FSGOUT brigade try to portray.

And genuinely, not aimed at you in particular but I've asked on twitter under some FSG out tweets and got no response so I'll ask here too. If they left, who do we want in?

Billionaires aren't known for buying things that's cost billions. It's why they're billionaires. They'd rather buy cheap and increase its value. Which is what FSG did. Hell even when we were cheap we didn't have billionaires queuing out the door to buy us. The only club I can think of where it happened is United and we all know what they did with the money it took to buy them at top whack. Nobody wants that.

Anyone who is FSG out needs to think of the realistic alternative which is probably only the Saudi government and I for one want nothing to do with a club run by them. Not that it matters since they won't even stump up the cash it takes to buy Newcastle for a few hundred million, nevermind 1.5 billion plus for Liverpool.

FSG and the club in general will live or die by their decisions, I doubt we'll ever know why those decisions were made.

Did anyone consider that they knew gini was leaving this year and replaced him with Tiago a year before to bed him in.

They also bought jota last year in the middle of c19 with a very little upfront payment and the fee kicking in this year.

Should also consider that they had targets but for one reason or another couldnt get them this year and are willing to wait until january or next summer. Remember they waited for virgil as they knew who they wanted and were willing to wait to get the best rather than a substandard second choice.

Also tieing down the big players on new longer contracts was the priority and you could argue this was more important trying to replace allison or virgil would be a nightmare

Yes I would have loved the buss of a load of new signings but I am old enough ( unline most of the fsgout on twitter) to remember the h& g years and also the end of the moors era and far prefer the fsg era.

Our wages increased from £208m in 2017, £264m in 2018, £310m in 2019 and £326m in 2020. We were not successful (trophies) in 2017 or 2018, yet our wages increased substantially. The players responsible is still with the club and their wages still need to be paid.

We don't know how the structure of the contracts work, but the incentives could be very achievable for the players. So getting top 4 may mean a bonus, getting 3rd a bit more. Then individual incentives as well. I think the wages will go down next year, but we will have to see by how much to get an idea how much the bonuses are.

In any case, the end of the year finances don't care about bonus or flat salaries, it is the total amount that is important. We pay a lot, we are successful. That is all there is. We can pay even more for more or other players, but it will hit our wage to turnover ratio. At the moment it is 66% of the amount. I think that is at the higher end to be a sustainable club. All figures from this webpage,

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1387289838781714432

I think United will be a worse team with Ronaldo,

I read he was in the bottom 2 % of forwards in Europe top leagues with regards pressing last season

United struggle to conrol possession already with Pogba & Bruno in the side its one of the reason's they draw so many games because the other team always has the chance to create a chance, Ronaldo to the mix & its going to be worse

Ronaldo himself will score goals but i think the team will suffer ,also himself & Bruno don't really work well for Portugal in the same team so that will be interesting

Why would I include TAA & Gomez when they were both already established in the squad for years previous? Both had 2 full seasons as established first team players, along with their other seasons as youth players. It is based on summer 2019 onwards. They didn't become first team players that summer.

And I did mention how Neco Williams, Jones & Elliot have been promoted. I said how we had released or sold senior players within the squad and replaced them with these youth players. Youth players cannot be expected to be a main staple of a title challenging or winning squad. They should be supplementing it, with a view to eventually becoming part of the first team as they mature and develop. I also spoke about Jones more so - "The midfield is not getting any younger. Maybe the club have hope for Jones to eventually move into the midfield role and be a star man but I don't think he is ready to be that man now, and that is what is needed."

I wouldn't go that far and for such a self sufficient club/model it would be ridiculous to discount the lost revenue due to Covid but I just have that sinking feeling we aren't capitalizing on a great manager and first XI. The back 5 are the best around, best DM in the league, one of the Top 5 forwards in the world in salah, the midfield and forward line just needed a little bit of quality competition. They could be sub 20m players or even loans, no one is asking for 100m buys.

I fully understand the wage bill has soared, that is the cost of success and to keep world class players but we can't stand still.

If all of which is spoken here is true, it makes Klopp a puppet for the owners. I really find that hard to believe, it's more likely that it's Klopp who is happy with his squad, and doesn't want someone just for the sake of it.

I mean answer me this.... who could we have signed that goes into the team?? That's the thing, the first 18 players we have are still the best in the league,

Elliott can also play in front 3, so we have 5 to pick from there, add Ox to that, at a push.

Do we drop Alisson, Fab, Henderson, Rob, Trent, Matip, Salah, Jota, Mane,

I don't see how anyone is available in the market that makes our team. In a few short weeks if we need a solid bench warmers we'll get one, if we get injuries, but at the minute we're stronger than anyone with our 18, even if the likes of City and United and Chelsea have 29 established players to choose from.

We also have 29, but make it up with people who will never see the bench, let alone the pitch.

football is nothing without the fans they say,well,right now,we are nothing without jurgen klopp...

this club would be still struggling to win things,to keep players. the owners have overseen a transformation of the stadium,its surroundings,the team,the global brand..all whilst we fund ourselves, we are a perfectly run club,successful both commercially and on the pitch. im certain if there was a model of how to be successful at the very top whilst staying incredibly solvent,it would be our model.

however, that all falls apart when klopp goes, there isnt another like him,no rose tinted glasses here,he's unique . if they cause him to leave,there will be mayhem.

the alternative owners,well we have had the other side,almost broke us..... be careful what you bay for lads... id love a fresh influx of talented players as much as anyone,its frustrating,but we literally have no idea whats in the pipeline ,already planned..player wise.

trust klopp,sounds corny,but unless he says otherwise then im cool with the owners.

andfield was a kip,area a sheethole,embarrasment.

we are massive again.

Always find it funny that G Nev had Rashford in his team of the season last season even thought Mane managed the same amount of goals in less games in his wort season ever ,

If Salah and Mane stay fit, we'll be grand. If not, we're in trouble. Annoying we couldn't bring in proper cover and have to rely on them being machines for 50 games yet again, but it is what it is.

I also worry about RB cover for Trent more than I do midfield, so let's hope no issues there either.

I do wonder what Klopp would do if Salah was out for a while, though. It might mean a complete change in formation rather than trying to have someone take up that RW slot. I can't remember what way we lined up against Barca actually, thinking about it... Was it still 433? Shaqiri was wide right to start I'd guess, but he was LW when he crossed to Gini.

Don't think I'd like a few games with Elliot or Taki playing RW, in all honesty.

I'd like to see us play a 4231 at times,

----------------------Ali------------------------

TAA--------VVD--------------Matip-----Robbo

-----------Fab--------------Thiago--------------

Mane--------------Bobby-----------------Jota

----------------------Salah----------------------

The 2/3 could be made up of quiet a few of the squad

------------Hendo-------Jones---------

------------Fab-----------Hendo-------

Hendo-------------Keita------------Tsimikas

Elliott-------------- Ox-------------Minamino

Just a few ways of doing it.

Matip and Gomez breaking down is inevitable, in my view Philips will still get game time, even with Konate there.

I want to see more of Minamino and Origi now, we need to be rotating them into strong teams not rag tag cup selections expecting them to perform.

I 100% agree but sure there's no hope he wouldnt have been in their team if he wasnt english and playing for Utd obviously. Same way Foden made it in last year. Didnt Foden make it in ahead of Salah or someone of that ilk sure??

Again I agree with all of this and have commented previously how Mane was already looking as sharp as I've seen him for a long time in the first two games. Still think we could have really used a St Maximin or Perreira of West Brom type as a 5th option. I mean, we have 4 options for 3 spots up front. That's clearly living life on the edge.

Well, we could try it with Minamino on the left or Elliot on the right with Salah being the 1 up top but yeah it leaves us a bit light alright.