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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #13232
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,444 ✭✭✭brickster69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117833999#Comment_117833999

    It's quite a jump on the nonsense people have been saying on here nearly every day for the last 6 weeks.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #13233
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,354 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117834069#Comment_117834069

    And only last week NPHET were saying cases would peak in Sept,so plenty of nonsense from the so called experts as well



  • #13234
    godzilla1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117833999#Comment_117833999

    Yeah that's true, Nolan was pretty sure of mid-september peak, no idea why that's jumped to mid-october now, probably when mass testing stops?

    I don't know about you, but I've noticed a massive change in tone in terms of governments trying to keep transmission down, it's like they've given up and all doing a Sweeden now realising we have nothing left to stop transmission. Australia Zero covid gone, Germany no more free tests after October, Denmark no more restrictions, all accepting life has to go on and deaths are inevitable.

    I'd say it's only 1 or 2 more months until we stop doing 20,000 tests a day and wasting millions a day on pcr tests, will probably only tests in hospital, cases as we track them will peak soon with that approach.



  • #13235
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,444 ✭✭✭brickster69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117834119#Comment_117834119

    Exactly, it was actually "could be mid September, late September, middle of October or maybe earlier or later depending how things go". Would be far better off telling the truth and say we are not sure at the moment.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #13236
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117834069#Comment_117834069

    That peak now ranges from 1-6 weeks, someone needs to pick a number.



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  • #13237
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 519 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sadly there are 20 being reported today. It’s very unfortunate to see that number and they are twenty people with families, friends and lives who shouldn’t be dismissed as a statistic, but could we possibly just retrospectively apply those to the days they actually passed away?

    There are only twenty people involved and the dates are obviously known but are spread over an unclear period of time.

    Why can’t they can just be assigned back to correct days which they actually passed away on? It’s about 10 minutes work.

    Deaths are also a matter of public record, so there are no privacy issues involved.

    I don’t know why we are continuously announcing numbers that are lagged. It’s creating issues domestically and on international comparisons and doesn’t give any kind of realistic impression of what’s going on and it’s frightening and depressing people, making it seem like daily rates.

    I’ve an elderly relative who has taken every precaution, is fully vaccinated and she takes these figures very much to heart. I was on the phone today and she was talking about how maybe she shouldn’t go outside anymore because 20 people died today.

    In my view it’s irresponsible reporting and it’s misleading and just feeds sensationalist headlines.



  • #13238
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117834137#Comment_117834137

    You do get a sense that there is an element of let it rip in the unvaccinated, probably because of the predominant age group of cases. It is probably an indicator of how we intend to manage it. I agree on tests, once we break that 90% very soon they may ease off on it.



  • #13239
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117834158#Comment_117834158

    That death total is for a week and as has been said many, many times they have no control over when people report it, save an upper limit of three months. We should reduce that anyway.



  • #13240
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 519 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117834219#Comment_117834219

    When exactly people report it isn’t relevant, or shouldn’t be. They can retrospectively apply the dates to the calendar. It’s not a very complex task, as it’s thankfully not a huge number of people.

    There’s no reason why they can’t give accurate data.

    Also whatever about the complexities of verification and certification, there’s no reason why the data cannot be reported by hospitals in a preliminary format for simple statistical analysis. The official registration can happen later and any amendments to data made retrospectively.



  • #13241
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117834249#Comment_117834249

    Not all who died would have died in a hospital



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  • #13242
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 519 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117834278#Comment_117834278

    Even so, the reporting system is unfit for purpose. It’s a civil registration system for the public record, not a statistical tool for rapid analysis of an ongoing issue.

    We should be able to report data much more quickly, without needing to wait for formal civil registration to occur. It’s only aggregate, non-personal data to react to situation. That is quite different to a personal, civil recording and certification by the registrar.

    Three months is ludicrous for what is simple and necessary data.



  • #13243
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The reporting system also causes issues when it comes to Wills. Its just far too slow



  • #13244
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 695 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117834173#Comment_117834173

    They should be easing off on that testing now, its a monumental waste of money.

    The virus is back in a nursing home today, all residents snd staff fully vaccinated, there is nothing else we can do now,its survival of the fittest from here on in.

    we are going to have to accept a lot of deaths snd it will be a long wintet.



  • #13245
    godzilla1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117834380#Comment_117834380

    Boosters will be needed there and quickly I would say

    It appears to me the spike protein targeted vaccines do stimulate immediate antibody production, reason why the boosters are a good idea, but they doesn't seem to stimulate the T and B cell production that are critical for long term immunity as all antibodies will wane after several months.



  • #13246
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,444 ✭✭✭brickster69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117834380#Comment_117834380

    It is a bit pointless now. May of been a good idea to ramp it up to the max when everyone was watching those bodies being set on fire in India in March or when the UK was going out of control in May. Something like " here lads, maybe it might be worth keeping an eye on this just in case it comes here and we can catch it early "

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #13247
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Are there any plans for those who received the Janssen one shot to get a booster I wonder? I'd actually take a second Janssen shot either.

    I think us poor Janssen recipients are often forgotten about 😔



  • #13248
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117834504#Comment_117834504

    I presume the booster programme will be for all.



  • #13249
    gral6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭gral6


    Will we be watching bodies being burned on fire here too, like in India before?



  • #13250
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,032 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117834219#Comment_117834219

    I am pretty confident that when deaths are reported they include little details like when the death was pronounced...

    Reporting that it was a covid death and not tagging on the time/date of death when you are at it would be staggeringly incompetent, to the point that it is far more likely that they do have those details but are choosing not to report them.



  • #13251
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 519 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117834534#Comment_117834534

    It’ll be at risk and in chronological order based on when you got the vaccine, I assume. There’s not much point in boosting it for 6 to 8 months. So those of us who got it in July and August are likely to be offered it in Jan - March, while you might see older and more vulnerable people being offered it as soon as it’s signed off.

    You’ve a risk at the moment that the most vulnerable are going to see the immunity fade sooner because they were vaccinated first in the queue.



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  • #13252
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,444 ✭✭✭brickster69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117834783#Comment_117834783

    No, but would certainly be in a better situation. Possibly no restrictions at all now.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #13253
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117834783#Comment_117834783

    That post isn’t even deserving of a response



  • #13254
    Apothic_Red
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    I see Boris' let it rip policy paid dividends.

    If the young wont take the vaccine then open the bars & nightclubs, we'll vaccinate them the old fashioned way

    "Around eight in 10 young adults in the UK are now likely to have Covid-19 antibodies, new figures suggest.

    The estimates, which are for people aged 16 to 24, range from 80.4% in Northern Ireland to 85.6% in Scotland, with 83.9% for Wales and 85.4% for England.

    The presence of coronavirus antibodies suggests someone has had the infection in the past or has been vaccinated."



  • #13255
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,444 ✭✭✭brickster69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117835678#Comment_117835678

    It will be 95% once the colleges and Uni's are back next week 🤣🤣🤣

    Then bring in a Rona beer at half price in the student bars and that will take care of the other 5%

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #13256
    techdiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,552 ✭✭✭techdiver


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117835678#Comment_117835678

    I would have thought that there are differences in antibodies between vaccinated and virus acquired? I'd would assume you would have antibodies against the actual virus from infection whereas from a vaccine you would only have antibodies against the spike?



  • #13257
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,961 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Why are deaths far more lately in Northern Ireland, compared to Ireland. Is it that up North they mostly used Astra? And that it's not as good a vaccine.



  • #13258
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,444 ✭✭✭brickster69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117835904#Comment_117835904

    No idea, but doubt it is the vaccines because they actually have used more Pfizer than AZ overall. Probably more to do with restrictions being eased far earlier you would of thought.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #13259
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,715 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    A nursing home in the midlands has gone into full lockdown after more than a dozen residents and staff tested positive for Covid-19. Laurel Lodge Nursing Home in Longford Town has prohibited all visitations for the foreseeable future after between "14 to 15 cases" of coronavirus were detected.

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • #13260
    kirk.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117836265#Comment_117836265

    Isn't this expected to happen now with the delta variant ?

    Is anybody actually needing hospital treatment , presumably all fully vaccinated ?



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  • #13261
    Derkaiser93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    As nauseating and depressing as he is I saw Fergal Bowers tweet that soon there may no longer be daily public announcements on cases. Nphet plan to move away from public daily statistics and more towards having it posted purely online for whoever wants access to see it. Please let that happen...

    ... Though knowing rte they'll still probably dig up cases and announce them



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