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Coveney claims to have previously been hacked.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    no politician ever resigns in Ireland, Hogan would still be in place had he stayed in Ireland. He thought he safe in Brussels but people there are accountable...

    Its good enough for us as it goes on and on and on and on...

    The independents ans SF are saying nothing cozy little setup... and its our fault....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,742 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    There will always be those that will blindly follow and make excuses for the political party that they zealousy support, thankfully these people are few are far between. The problem we have a the moment in this country is that the alternative mainly SF is less appealing and there is an apprehension amongst voters to let them into government. I am one of them, I want to see FG and FF consigned to history, I think both parties are corrupt from top to bottom and are no longer interested in what is good for the country but only interested is what is good for themselves and their backers but like I have said I am apprehensive about SF being in government, they haven't really set the world alight in opposition and seem to jump on the latest band wagon that is passing. So for a voter like me who has no party allegiance we are between a rock and a hard place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,127 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I agree with you here Floppybits.

    Despite allegations to the contrary I have no particular political allegiances and have voted for FF and FG in the past.

    I voted for SF because it represents the only way to break this toxic power swap. The toxicity being particularly apparent now that they have coalesced.

    Despite that toxicity, the changes are evident. They may be toxic but they are no longer getting away with it and accountability is being forced on them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 431 ✭✭CarProblem


    This is true - there is a lot of disillusionment. I (and a lot of friends etc) would be economically right of centre. There is absolutely no right of centre party to vote for (IMO). A lot of my friends etc still vote for FG on the basis of the party is seen as not right, but the least left. FG currently benefits from a lot of people thinking there's only more left wing alternatives. An actual right of centre party would do quite well at the minute, I'm not naive. It wouldn't usurp the civial war parties but I definitely think there's 10-15% of the vote up for grabs in that space

    I am voting now on the basis of a process of elimination. I simply won't vote for any party in power for the last 25 or so years. Simple as. I also haven't voted for SF yet and don't foresee me doing so in the next 5-10 years. Have I worries about the so called left alternative? Yes, but I'm going to cross parties off the list that I fell have messed up before I cross of those I think will mess up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,627 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I agree, we are a very weak and subservient electorate

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Nail on the head. I hate the state of the country under FFG. I'm dreading the state of the country if SF ever get power. There is literally no one for someone like me to vote for. I want a party strict on controlled immigration, tough on crime, to recognize the squeezed middle, not on the "woke" bandwagon, who want the complete separation of state and church. A government who governs, and not a nanny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,127 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Simon is sticking to the hacked story it seems.

    Interesting that a lowly (I never heard of him anyhow) FGer David Stanton was able to say yesterday that there was a hacking incident but nobody else seems to have been aware of this serious issue.

    Gavan Reilly on Twitter: "Simon Coveney spokesperson says they are constrained from mentioning security specifics, but that Coveney yesterday said he had been hacked “and that is the case”. This suggests last year’s phishing incident, cited by David Stanton yesterday, did involve phone being compromised." / Twitter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    If what you are saying is correct we will have a few resignations... I cannot see the current opposition asking for heads... Surely there will be a review but it will go nowhere.

    What really put me off SF is this time they never suggested going into Government, they let the other parties do as they please. MaryLou should have put her name forward for Taoiseach, i know she would not have got the support but she would have made the statement SF are serious players...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭Pedro K


    Mary Lou McDonald did put her name forward for Taoiseach.


    https://www.newstalk.com/news/mary-lou-mcdonald-receives-dail-votes-taoiseach-970855



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Its always the little things that trip people up. This whole saga is over an insignificant (low paid) job that was bestowed on a FG luvvie.

    Positions are bestowed on acolytes all the time in the political world. Ministerial office, seanad appointments, special advisors etc...This is no different.

    I thought Cowen had a brass neck to compare it to his situation. But he's got his agenda too. Its a pity the real business of running the country gets overshadowed by grubby politics. But, it's the nature of the beast!

    All involved in this debacle are very foolish to not realise what they were doing/facilitating.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    That was not the real vote, SF n ever made a serioius attempt top be in Government as they probably do not really have the people or they think they haven't as the only thing they seem to know anything about is NI and an anti British agenda...

    If we use the the vote you mention she would have had to go head to head with MM to see which of them be Taoiseach, that's democratic politics, SF sat back and now we have what we have....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,009 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    It is standard procedure right across the world to not acknowledge state IT security breaches or hacks that have occurred, whether they are successful or not.

    Do you honestly think Coveney should come out and say,

    "Yes, my iPhone was hacked by x group/country on y date, and they got z data from my phone which compromised xyz policy initiatives by the Irish state"

    I know the media love some drama, but a line has to be drawn somewhere.

    Foreign affairs and defence matters should not be discussed or revealed on Twitter to satisfy some internet mob.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Luckily we will be getting the answers to all these questions next week when Coveney has to appear before the Foreign Affairs and Defence Committee yet again to explain himself. Roisin Shorthall now on radio asking did Coveney breach Irelands national security by not reporting his phone was hacked. Her collegaue Gary Gannon is on the Commitee and will be asking Coveney all about this phone hack, what he did about it, who investigated it and what was the result of that investigation. Of course if he never reported it then he is in even more hot water.

    So far his excuse that he deletes text messages to prevent phone hacking is either naivety or incompetence for someone who holds a position of responsibility for national security. He has any number of cyber security experts available in the armys intelligence unit and the Gardais Special Branch who could have told him that when a phone is hacked it has software placed upon it that constantly sends data back to the hacker, in real time if they want. Deleting text messages is of little consequence if a phone is hacked, it doesnt make a jot of difference. The fact the Minister of Defence thought that it does just goes to show how incompetent he is when it comes to national security. As things stand right now any number of intelligence agencies could have his phone hacked and there is Simple Simon thinking he is thwarting them by deleting text messages now and again. Intelligence agencies would be laughing their heads off at Simple Simons cybersecurity 101. If we really have someone that stupid dealing with national security then he needs to resign.

    His appearance at the Foreign Affairs and Defence Committee next week is going to be very interesting indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,127 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Spot on. The handwavers can wave all they want but important questions need answering here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 218 ✭✭CDarby


    I haven't looked at relevant legislation, surrounding a ministers electronic device/s data being breached or even attempted breach of that data (a hack to you and I) but I'd be surprised, extremely surprised actually, that, (especially the sensitive nature of his present and past ministerial roles,), that Simon (or any other minister) wasn't compelled to report the breach, or attempted breach to the Gardai, and also internal govt I.T technical departments.

    If any investigative journalist went snooping around, surely this will be uncovered, hell, given the Attorney Generals intervention on getting Leo a pass a few weeks ago, maybe Drew Harris himself will come out and intervene on Coveneys behalf citing a serious data breach concern reported by Coveney and had been dealt with on X date at Y time.....but I wouldn't count on it.

    You're replicating Simon's mistakes here markodaly, basically stop digging man. FFS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,797 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Well there isn't and while not technicilly impossible, a lot of the issues with this type of thing aren't technical.

    There are multiple reasons why ALL ministerial correspondance cannot and most likely should not be recorded on a data base.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,127 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ...and that he was advised to delete texts to guard against hacks. Texts he should have backed up before deleting off his phone.

    Simon is in a bind here.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Theres a primary school saying for all of this😅


    What wicked webs we weave,when first we practice to deceive



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Let the leader of the opposition ask these questions.... that's the problem... Alot of things have gone unnoticed in this current Government...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    If in doubt, make something up that no one has said.............



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,127 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    First the Foreign Affairs committee will ask Simon AGAIN to clarify.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,947 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Well fair play to the bould Simon on doubling on his claim. Not only was the device hacked, it was used to forward messages too.

    Implicit in that claim is the fact that remote control of the device was exercised either via script or push. The personal device of the Minister for Defence and Foreign Affairs executed uncommanded actions.

    This compounds the error of deleting messages and further highlights this as a matter of National Security.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    The committees basically do nothing only buy time. Any its good enough for us we have a cozy cartel of 3 parties and to be honest that is what we deserve.... So its the job of a committee to ask the Government questions. It reminds me of the parish GAA AGM.....

    I just read now that Cowan who is in Government is now asking Leo to sort it out, Cowan was sacked as minister and he is now doing the job of opposition parties... i am not really interested but whats going on here....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,742 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Can only thank the lord that we do not have any weapons such as missiles or some such in this country when the Minister for Defence claims his Phone was hacked and was being controlled by someone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    It wouldn't prevent a hacker reading new messages received on an already compromised phone, but it might make it difficult for them to access the previous couple of years' history of messages on a newly compromised phone. My company forces regular deletion of local emails for similar reasons.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    The absolute state of this post. The Irish State was literally hacked just 2 months ago and the entire HSE IT system crashed because of it. It was fully acknowledged by the State that they were hacked and reported on by the media for weeks on end. So much for your "standard procedure". The US reports on attempted hacks of its IT systems all the time, its all there in the Mueller report if you want to gain some knowledge on the subject.

    Really marko if you dont know what you're talking about its better to just keep your mouth shut rather than just go making stuff up which is patently and provably untrue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,742 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    In any company I have worked in ,mainly IT, it is beaten into you on day one about security and reporting security as soon as they are known about to the relevant people/departments and failure to do could result in termination of employment and this every single department no just the IT department. It would be shocking to hear that the Government and Civil Service do not have similar protocols in place at all levels. Now there is a difference on whether the company then makes the security breach public knowledge but as for individual employee's there is no option but to report the security breach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,627 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Have the rangers been deployed to find the hackers yet?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    From the info Leo made available its clear that there was a cozy little arrangement set-up for Ms Zappone. They are all in it together....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Well I think that depends who the hacker is. The Pegasus software available for sale by an Israeli company can send texts/emails/Whatapps direct to the hacker in real time, this all came out just a few months ago when Saudi Arabia were caught phone hacking Saudi journalists who are in exile around the world. Jeff Bezos also had his phone hacked using that same software so if it can happen to him via an end to end encryption service like Whatapp then it can happen to anyone. Also when a text message is deleted it isnt truly deleted. Theres going to be metadata behind it that can be unscrambled, again this would be a straight forward task for an intelligence agency using the phone hacking software that is available to them.

    In your own case you're talking about your company protecting against corporate espionage, the phone hacking software available to those spooks wouldnt be as high level as the software that is available to government intelligence agencies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Can someone please tell me if i understand this correctly. I am of the understanding that his phone was hacked some time ago and because of this he deleted conversations around the time of this appointment of Ms Zappone.

    Is this correct....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    It was mentioned earlier on Virgin Media News that Coveney claimed he was hacked last Summer. If this is the case, why has it taken a year to announce this?

    If Coveney's iPhone was hacked, it won't matter when he deleted his texts as once they arrive on his phone they will be compromised.

    It is also worth noting that if his phone was checked, will only recent texts be found ? and if not it will show that he deleted texts that he wanted nobody else to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    The pertinent question that journalists need to try and get to the bottom of now, is when the Zappone texts were deleted. Was it before or after the poo hitting the fan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    The dates and times of the texts he would have sent to Ms Zappone cannot be deleted, i always thought networks kept the content of texts for a time from a few court cases in recent years but it may be dates/time which may fit into the jigsaw....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,994 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Michael Martin claims he knows nothing about this plus if this is true its no reason to delete texts on his phone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,741 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Hmmmm



    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,011 ✭✭✭bmc58


    From what I have heard he got a "phishing e mail or message" (which most of us have gotten.But his spin doctors have twisted this to him being hacked,which is rubbish.These boys really are taking the Irish people for fools.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,127 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady



    Phishing isn't a hack in the true sense of the word though afaik.

    And if he reported this to Gardai and security people, who advised him that deleting texts would do any good?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Also nowhere in that article does it say his phone was attacked just that Coveney's name is used in a phishing attack



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Deleted texts in July* 2021, (*actually we're still waiting for clarification on when the texts were deleted) because of a targeted phishing email? Think most of us have gotten a phishing email/text at some point in our digital lives, targeted does not = successfully targeted, and targeted phishing emails do not = being "hacked".

    Who will they get to check Simon's phone? Be interesting to see when he deleted the texts, was it before or after this whole thing blowing up publicly, and what other texts were deleted, presumably he'd have deleted all texts - because if if was just a few text threads, say from Katherine and Leo discussing the envoy role and the Merrion gig.... That will look phishy to say the least.

    I think (personally) that Leo's political career was already drawing to a conclusion anyway (with the leaking thing etc) and now Coveney is about to follow suit and be dragged down with him. Potentially leaving FG without a leader and a deputy leader too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,400 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Well, we can ask the Gardai now, can't we?

    "Explaining why he clears his text messages regularly Simon Coveney said his phone was compromised in 2020.

    "What is not known is that some of my foreign minister colleagues across Europe were contacted using my phone's identity as a front during the hack incident," he said.

    The Minister said the matter was dealt with by his department and the gardaí.

    "As a result of this incident and others, I work on the basis that very few telecommunications are completely secure," he said."

    You are at least the second poster today who is going to have to back down on his calling someone a liar. Of course he was going to pretend it wasn't a hack initially, why would you want to draw attention to a breach of national security?

    Your post is another example of the overdramatic reaction and melodrama around this issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,627 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    "Of course he was going to pretend..."

    🤣

    You are a hoot Blanch! Classic stuff. The dog on the street knows he is telling porkie pies! He'll have to spin some more at the next committee!

    Liar liar pants on fire!

    😜

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭Possedion


    Wonder if the appointed KZ would be able to share simons exchanges. She probably was hacked as well. Lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,009 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    A post-high on the emotion but it falls down on fact and reason.

    Take this bit

    "Deleting text messages is of little consequence if a phone is hacked, it doesnt make a jot of difference."

    Of course, it makes a difference. Two scenarios

    1) Coveney gets a new phone in January to be used as his work phone as Minister, keeps all data and messages on it. The phone gets hacked in September and has access to all new and all historical data on the phone.

    2) Coveney get a new phone in January to be used as his work phone as Minister. Deletes data older than 2 weeks, every fortnight. The phone gets hacked in September and has access to all new data and 2 weeks old historical data.

    Which one is the bigger breach and what action from a security point of view is more prudent?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,009 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Just look up the details on the Jeff Bezos phone hack, which has never been offically confirmed by Amazon or Jeff Bezos himself and they certainly have not released into the public domain the exact in's an out of what exactly happened and security measures they undertake now.

    I never knew that this forum was populated by so many Cyber Security experts!!🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,009 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Some Irish journalists are the pits.

    I heard a few of them, angry out, jumping up and down on 'Why THEY were not told about the phone hack and given every single detail possible, and that yesterday was the VERY first time they heard about it.....'

    Clearly, they didn't do much searching as a year ago, in one of Ireland's best-selling newspapers, there is an article giving them information on what happened.

    I personally think some in the media are suffering from a kind of post Covid era trauma, where we all want to get back to normal, but some in the media want to be the high priest of doom, gloom, and outrage. Melodrama is right!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,009 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    But but but.... its not a hack.....

    Tell us all, when did your family get phone calls or text messages that were apparently from your phone, but were actually someone else?

    Or even more extreme.

    Tell us, when did your boss or people you work with, in levels of important decision-making roles get a text or phone calls from your number, but it wasn't actually you?

    Now escalate it to the State level where ministers of Foreign Affairs get phone calls or texts from another minister, but it's not them...

    .

    .

    .

    I hope that puts to bed that it was indeed a very serious incident, which WAS reported to the Gardai at the time.

    He is 100% right though, no IT system or phone is 100% secure. All one can do is take measures to make it as difficult as possible for nefarious perpetrators to gleam relevant data from your device or system.

    Getting a new phone every year is one such measure. Deleting old data off it is another.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Why tell such an easy to prove wrong lie such as this? The German's flagged Merkel's phone hack and other politician to half of Europe. Try lie less please.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/german-authorities-seek-irish-help-over-very-serious-data-hack-1.3747636



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  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The lies ffg tell, at this stage are hilarious🤣



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