Biden/Harris Presidency Discussion Thread

BobHopeless · 01-09-2021 6:52am

When American hostages start being beheaded by ISISK or even the Taliban in the next few weeks Biden's already downward heading numbers are going to fall off a cliff.

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-09-2021 7:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117831187#Comment_117831187

https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/1432788859012755467?s=19

https://twitter.com/idnac4u/status/1432809550944641027?s=19

If only they had been given some sort of warning and told to leave the country.

salmocab · 01-09-2021 9:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117831234#Comment_117831234

It’s amazing where conservatives will draw the line on personal responsibility

Quin_Dub · 01-09-2021 10:16am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117831187#Comment_117831187

Only ~5000 of the nearly 120,000 people evacuated from Afghanistan over the last few weeks were actually US citizens and according to the State Dept , there are now less than 200 US Citizens remaining in Afghanistan at this point and they are in contact with most of them to assist them if they want to leave.

As other posters have said , it's not like those guys haven't been given multiple opportunities to leave the country.

TomOnBoard · 01-09-2021 4:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117831474#Comment_117831474

To mis-quote Kris Kristofferson, "Freedumb's just another word" for selfish stupidity!

Imagine what it took for those San Diego families to ignore warnings and still brought children to war-torn Afghanistan in July, placing them in such harm's way! Jesus wept!

pearcider · 03-09-2021 11:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117815231#Comment_117815231

Wow my point went really over your head.

Danzy · 03-09-2021 11:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117823769#Comment_117823769

If you like Biden or hate him, this still stands.

He is dealing with the double whammy of the pandemic and that everyone believes he intends to be a one term President.

He'll be occupied by Covid and his party will be occupied by jostling for position for the next Presidential election.

That's just political reality, his party or opposition do not matter to it. Internal Democratic party battles behind the scenes will be more interesting than anything the opposite do.

TomOnBoard · 04-09-2021 6:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117844729#Comment_117844729

Once you compared escaping the tragedy in Kabul to a student flit throughout Europe you lost any credibility as a serious point maker here. Just more dross to be scrolled past without much consideraion..

pearcider · 04-09-2021 7:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117847048#Comment_117847048

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117831234#Comment_117831234

My point was 6500 is an absolute bargain for extraction from a war zone. My point was you wouldn’t get far anywhere on 6 grand. The only tragedy in this situation is that the Biden administration used Kabul airport instead of Bagram to organise the evacuation and they did this because they’re totally incompetent. Mr Prince is completely correct in his assessment and yet you expect him to work for free because of the tragedy or something.

snow scorpion · 11-09-2021 10:23pm

SNIP. No memes.

12-09-2021 11:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117878961#Comment_117878961

Mark Simone's Twitter feed was perhaps the source, among others such lowlife grifters.

Simone is known for attracting the more gullible and mentally challenged out there, among other less savory examples of human kind.

Overall he knows his audience and that they fall for any old crap, such as comparing trumps impeachment letter to Pelosi, to the Gettysburg address.

TomOnBoard · 13-09-2021 8:23pm

Much of the hypocrytical Afghanistan-related screeching and sQuaking from GQP Quarters has died down a bit of late. The House gets a chance today to get extract truth from propaganda through Secretary of State Blinken being interviewed by the Foreign Affairs Committee.

AbusesToilets · 15-09-2021 7:52am

Seems Gen Milley may have engaged in some light treason leading up to the election. Be interesting to see the response to these reports

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/14/us/politics/peril-woodward-book-trump.html

In other news, the Republicans are poised to take control off the FCC because Biden and the Democrats have failed to get off their thumbs to nominate someone to the 5 person council that controls the commission. Something that's easy to overlook, but which would have serious impact on a large swathe of the country. Republicans have worked hard to stymie improvements to internet access and upholding Net Neutrality. It'd be a serious blunder if Biden doesn't sort this out in time.

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-09-2021 9:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893112#Comment_117893112

I see a lot of the Trump supporters on twitter screaming treason over this but you have to ask yourself, exactly how unhinged was Trump after his election loss that Milley felt the need to do what he did?

duploelabs · 15-09-2021 9:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893112#Comment_117893112

Please qualify 'Republicans have worked hard to stymie improvements to internet access and upholding Net Neutrality'

Nody · 15-09-2021 10:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893399#Comment_117893399

See the FCC order set up in 2017 and open internet order which is still in effect which was set up under Trump's government allowing broadband providers to segregate the speed of service at will (previous to that order they could not slow down any internet service specifically; all were equal).

pixelburp · 15-09-2021 11:04am

I think there is confusion on what AbusesToilets said and how it was written. At first read, it comes off like he said the Republicans were fighting for Net Neutrality; the sentence I think that was meant was that they were stymieing access and attempts to preserve Net Neutrality.

Brian? · 15-09-2021 11:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893112#Comment_117893112

His oath is to defend the USA not to obey any and all orders. It’s not treason to disobey an immoral order.

Quin_Dub · 15-09-2021 1:09pm

There also seems more info coming out today saying that Mark Esper as Sec. of Defense was also involved through intermediaries in trying to reassure China during the last days of Trump.

The feeling was that a combination of poor intel being received from China and the general rhetoric floating around was making China nervous that the US might do something.

Esper was basically saying to China - "Don't take much heed of anything you might be hearing out there , the US have no intention of doing anything regarding China at the moment" , he also delayed some Troop movements in the region to avoid any potential for misunderstanding.

So Milley may have been acting under some level of direction from the Secretary of Defense and not going on a solo run - Or at least he was continuing the directions from Esper after Trump fired him in January.

AbusesToilets · 15-09-2021 1:35pm

While I can appreciate the goal of trying to prevent Trump from doing something off the rails, contacting the US's biggest enemy in such a fashion is not acceptable to me. There's a difference between disobeying an order to launch an unwarranted attack, and conducting foreign policy negotiations behind the backs of the Whitehouse. The US military is apolitical, in theory anyways, and Milley has breached that pretty egregiously if these claims are true.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893824#Comment_117893824

That's correct, apologies for mealy mouthed sentence there. Ajit Pai, the Trump head of the FCC, worked tirelessly to undermine consumer protections and block efforts to improve access and quality for telecom services.

Sam Russell · 15-09-2021 1:57pm

I would believe that there has always been a backchannel between the superpowers. What ever happened to the well publicised 'hot line' between the USSR and the USA?

There were several instances when activity on the hot line was reported in the media. The Cuba missile crisis and the Check Point Charlie stand off are two examples.

I see nothing wrong with Milley's action.

Is China the USA's greatest enemy?

Rjd2 · 15-09-2021 2:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894556#Comment_117894556

Yeah its dire. You should be able to acknowledge Milley did wrong while also acknowledge that Trump was dismal.

TomOnBoard · 16-09-2021 3:18am

Is it possible for a serving General to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom side-by-side with the Congressional Medal of Honor?

ancapailldorcha · 16-09-2021 12:08pm

Mod: A below standard post and some responses have been removed. Dumping memes and images is not what this forum is for.

ancapailldorcha · 19-09-2021 12:18am

Stop bickering please. Posts deleted.

ancapailldorcha · 19-09-2021 7:28pm

Next personal remark will result in a site ban.

Manic Moran · 21-09-2021 3:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894670#Comment_117894670

Bearing in mind that we are working off the basis only of the limited information revealed to us thus far, I don't think the situations are equivalent. Those would have been circumstances where decisions had been made, they were followed through by the military, but at the same time there were also efforts to de-escalate the situation. In this case, to my knowledge, no orders were ever issued which would have raised the tension, be they followed or not.

There is no particular concern with back channel communication as long as policy is not being determined independently. The US and 'rival' countries are known to communicate often, witness the deconfliction efforts over Syria as an example, even whilst ground troops are running each other off the roads. As a result, I think 'treason' is an overly strong word, but it does seem that Milley may have overstepped his bounds (emphasise 'may', it depends on what was actually said) even with good intentions.

Manic Moran · 21-09-2021 4:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117897868#Comment_117897868

In theory, yes. The MoH (Not "Congressional"), however, has rather strict criteria involving risk of life so awardees are rare as it is. A general officer being in such a position today is almost unthinkable. The award to MacArthur in WW2 was an aberration I find unlikely to ever being repeated. Even Eisenhower never received anything above a DSM.

AbusesToilets · 21-09-2021 4:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117920105#Comment_117920105

Telling a Chinese General he would give advanced warning of an attack is not acceptable in any fashion, and if it came to pass in reality, would absolutely be treasonous.

Brian? · 21-09-2021 7:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117920367#Comment_117920367

He didn’t say that though, he just assured that there was no plan to attack China and he’d give them the nod if this was changing.

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