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Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭Mav11


    Nope. Just responding to predictable, puerile responses with the respect they deserve!



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,716 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Justifying ignoring pedestrian restrictions for selfish and lazy ends is no less puerile. But there it is...



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,059 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    the only confusion is from the people illegally cycling it would appear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭Mav11


    You're very welcome and if you ever change your mind.............................................☺️!



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Strange how any proposed slight diversion for motorists is treated as an outrageous imposition, when the effort involved is a few pedal presses and a few hand pushes, but you've no difficulty with pushing cyclists on considerable diversions to solve a non-existent problem.

    Just a tad biased perhaps?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭Zaney


    update published including options assessment of Deansgrange


    have only skim read, but Baker’s corner looks well and truly disastrous


    I can’t see a single reference to the impact on buses



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Re buses, the thinking seems to be that if you make roads one way schoolchildren will travel by bike to school thus relieving pressure on public transport.

    There are no lockers in secondary school this year either so that means books, musical instruments, sports equipment etc must be carried into school and home again.I couldnt even lift my students bag from the car into the house, she couldnt walk or cycle with that bag.

    So, its either continue to travel to school by bus and if buses are stuck in traffic jams then parents will drive children to school using rat runs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The secondary student in this house got access to the locker restored last week.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thats not the case in all schools.

    I know students who would like to walk to school but cant because they have no lockers, they had no lockers last year either.

    These are girls who would like to walk to school with their pals, schools need to restore locker use immediately if Govt policy is to get students walking and cycling to school.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭Mav11


    Indeed, it makes no sense to deny the use of school lockers on covid grounds. But then, lack of sense is not unusual in the context of the public service.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You were the one who suggested that lockers were out of bounds in all schools. If schools aren't doing the right thing, parents need to start talking to schools



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "It can therefore be reasonably concluded that the majority of motor traffic generating the local congestion is not local traffic and could therefore be transferred to the arterial National road network if appropriate mitigations could be implemented."

    The vast majority of the traffic on my road isnt local either so can i now have peace and quiet by sending this traffic to the N11 too.

    This sentence is in the concluding paragaph of the active school transport relating to Deansgrange Road, ie if we make Deansgrange Road one way the traffic using it will presumably move to the N11 as its destination is not Deansgrange,this is pretty vague and there isnt much detail given about where traffic is likely to go and nor is there much in the report about preventing rat running taking place.

    Is it realistic for the hundreds of people who use this route to get to the cemetry, Lidl, the library, the Sport clubs, Dunnes at Cornelscourt etc. to go via the N11,that route is already very busy as all are routes that lead to it. I think a lot of this traffic will go through Hollypark Housing estate where there are three schools and emerge on Kill Avenue, thats one rat run I can think of and its used already.

    The only reference to buses in this latest modelling scenario is the fact that if the road is narrowed rather than making it one way there wouldnt be room for buses, how can we talk about removing cars if we dont put buses to the forefront of everything.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Great point - they should definitely block off those rat runs with nice planters or similar. You'd be up for that, right?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The lockers are decommissioned in the schools the young people i am familiar with attend.

    I know from friends living in other parts of the country, eg Kildare that they are driving their children to schools because of the weight of the bags.

    The locker availability is a matter for school management and if teachers unions dont want them because of covid transmission rates then they wont be available.

    Parents are living with the dread that schools could close again so not having lockers is an annoying inconvenience but not something to rile teachers about.As I said though complete waste of time making Deansgrange road one way and causing huge traffic jams in the whole area if parents are continuing to drive children to school because bags are too heavy to carry.

    I couldnt see any evidence of how heavy traffic is at present on Deansgrange road, not sure if it has been counted and in any event counting in covid times and in school holidays wont give an accurate picture, it needs to be counted in the next couple of weeks before this trial goes ahead.

    There was a tailback from Carysfort Avenue to the small roundabout in Stillorgan Park at 8AM during the week,the cyclists that were about were cycling on the road and not in the cycling lane provided for them, I dont blame them as its in very bad condition but they would make more progress if they went off the road.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You didn't say 'schools that I am familiar with' first time round though. You tried another one of your broad brush claims, all the red herrings you bring up to try to justify your anti-cycling policies, and when proven wrong, you divert off on other red herrings, now blaming trade unions who have nothing to do with it. This isn't an honest discussion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭Mav11


    "There was a tailback from Carysfort Avenue to the small roundabout in Stillorgan Park at 8AM during the week,the cyclists that were about were cycling on the road and not in the cycling lane provided for them, I dont blame them as its in very bad condition but they would make more progress if they went off the road."

    The traffic light sequence at Carysfort is appalling, no more that 2 or 3 cars can get through at a time that is what is causing the tailbacks.

    Yes, the cycle path on Stillorgan park is horrible and unusable, I wouldn't blame cyclists from moving onto the road either. Perhaps if they narrowed the grass verge and removed the central painted reservation they could put a proper cycle lane in place. This would be of great benefit and much safer for the children cycling to the schools on Newtownpark ave and Carysfort.

    You would agree with that, wouldn't you? Safer for the kids!!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Its not children using the cycling lane there, its adult men,they are probably on the road as they cant speed as that cycle lane is shared with pedestrians.

    Its the silliness of making major changes to traffic to facilitate super duper photogenic cycle lanes and then leaving other cycle lanes to fall into total unusability.

    Do we wait another few years while approval is sought for changes to Stillorgan Park or go out today and maintain whats already there but not safe for cyclists.

    Its nonsensical.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The tailback is partly due to the fact that the filter lane to turn left onto Carysfort Avenue is gone, all traffic turning left and going straight is now in the one queue, its just stress on stress now and will be worse when office workers are driving to work and dropping children to school on the way.Thats from Sept 20th on, a long long winter for local residents ahead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Because ALL local residents drive and NO local residents walk or cycle, right?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    As I said a long long winter ahead.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭Mav11


    Oh dear..........if we could only get rid of men, particularly big middle aged men on bikes and those same men making all those insane decisions (sorry Lettie) everything would be sorted! Right???



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭Mav11


    You might find the attached letter to yesterday's IT of interest!! If cars can't get to a filter lane because of the traffic lights it can't be used!!


    It’s not about traffic lights

    Sir, – Your correspondent Robert Towers (Letters, September 3rd) shows admirable concern for increased pollution arising from private car use in Dublin city.

    Can I suggest that the best way for him to address that concern is to join the 71 per cent of people who use sustainable transport modes (including public transport, cycling and walking) to get into the city each day?

    He may find that it also removes the “general aggravation” that he experiences at traffic lights which are, of course, designed to prioritise more sustainable modes.

    – Yours, etc,

    CIARÁN FERRIE,

    Rathmines,

    Dublin 6.





  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If cars cant turn left the cant get out of the way of cars going straight.

    what has a letter to do with the city centre got to do with this, the traffic Im talking about is mostly local, southsiders driving to shops, schools, sports facilities, work, visiting family, socialising etc etc.

    I was turning left onto Convent Road today and cyclist went straight through the cyclist red light. I suspected he would do this so didnt turn, so sick of this entitled behaviour, the RSA needs to run a campaign addressing cyclists breaking red lights, this leads to collisions with cars and then the motorist being the only party insured then has their insurance premium raised, it time to deal with this issue now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Can you point to any single, actual case where a cyclist broke a red light and a motorist had to pay out from their insurance as a result? I suspect this is a figment of your imagination.

    You might want to keep this in mind when you're lobbying RSA for a campaign targeting cyclists.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/cyclists-dublin-3018953-Oct2016/



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭Mav11


    Have you ever been stuck at the lights on Stillorgan Pk / Carysfort? Have you ever actually been on Stillorgan Pk? It doesn't sound like it.

    Even when the filter lane was there, it was so short, that cars turning left couldn't access it, because they were held up by cars going straight who, in turn, were held up by the traffic lights!

    Did you even read the letter?? It doesn't seem like you even got to the end, before you went diverting off on another one of your little tangents!!

    I quote and bold again for your benefit: "experiences at traffic lights which are, of course, designed to prioritise more sustainable modes."

    Please do try to keep up!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭Sarn


    In fairness, if it’s currently a case of 2-3 cars getting through the junction at Stillorgan Park, then the filter lane could facilitate an additional 1-2 cars going through. With potentially 3-5 cars now getting through each light change that would reduce everyone’s journey time, especially if you’re in a 50 car tailback from the lights. It also speeds up the rate that someone is likely to get into the filter lane. A filter lane is always going to aid the number of cars getting through each change of lights

    From my own observation, the cars turning left further reduce the number of cars getting through the junction as they manoeuvre more slowly around the sharper left turn on account of the extended bicycle lane. The previous filter lane corner was easier to manoeuvre through.

    The shorter light sequence is another fundamental factor in the delays.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭Mav11


    Your point is taken, agreed and not disputed, but you have to take it in the context of a discussion running through this thread and that is that councils are not trying to make it easier for the motorist. Councils are actively trying to get people out of cars and into more sustainable transport. They are doing this partly by changing things like traffic light sequencing to favour pedestrians and cyclists and discomfort motorists.

    So whether you would agree with it or not, I can't see any council making changes that would cost sustainable transport, while benefiting cars! It's the new reality and we have to learn to live with it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,074 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    There's going to be an almighty row at at DLR Council meeting on 13/09 about the Deansgrange one-way proposal. Get the popcorn.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭Mav11




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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thank you sarn, sighs heavily, this is very hard going.



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