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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

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  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Supply and demand deos not apply to a market with outside manipulation,as large investment funds/landlords will price those whom need houses out of the market


    The average house price in large parts od dublin is now out of reach to those on average income,all things being correct,prices should collaspe to reflect this reality,but they dont and wont......would this not say to you,that the idology of market sort itself is utterly flawed and a fundamentally a failure?


    Its never gonna change and those saying it'll be different this time are everybit as delusional as communists



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thats just ideology again,it's not economics

    You're a farmer,you get subsidies,your cattle price is totally unrelated (albeit unique in that some years subsidies are the profit)

    The cattle market is manipulated by those subsidies,yet a flooded market means the farmers still make a loss due to lower prices

    Scarcity and they make a few bob

    More supply means less demand,same with cattle and with houses or any commodity

    The trick is finding the sweet spot where supply meets demand and price still has an incentive for builders to build

    Argue with that and you may aswell tell me if I go out in the rain without a coat I won't get wet



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,972 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Greens must be delighted Coveney and Varadkar are providing a distraction while the ignore what Leddin did.

    Protest outside Green Party HQ over TD Brian Leddin’s WhatsApp comments about councillor - Independent.ie



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    When supply isn't affordable, supply must become affordable or perish, (as with the Celtic Tiger bust).

    When supply is unaffordable by the public, but the state keeps buying and leasing it, it remains unaffordable to the public, so more public need state supplemented accommodation. So more build to rent/lease are built with the state waiting in the wings and round and round we go.

    It's a well know tried and failed FF/FG con. More of the same FF/FG policies won't fix the FF/FG housing crisis.

    Build to rents at artificially high prices are feeding the housing crisis. This has been shown time and again. Nobody believes this new/not new plan will solve anything, in fact it will usher in the next crash.

    The state cannot afford to continue to buy and lease. The fact that using hotels as 'emergency' accommodation went from rare to very common practice, shows FF/FG are wrong and okay with spending our money on that wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    The lack of moral outrage on boards from the often conveniently morally outraged, is well, convenient 🤨



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  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its not ideology,how is it?


    Its commonsense,the market wont solve itself,its pointless at this stage to think it will,a belief that it will is utter blindness by ideology??


    Yous more supply equals less demand theory,is simply non-applicible while outside money,landlordism,and investment funds are allowed drive ordinary people out of the market......these have a near insatible demand for property(incl farms).......your sticking hunderds of thousands of people into paying rack rents to appease an idelogy/theory,that simply deosnt work and is never gonna



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You are actually telling me there that if I go out without a coat when it's raining I won't get wet

    Of course demand drops as supply increases because it reduces demand by filling demand

    Socialist ideology of giving everyone a free house and free everything else hasn't worked anywhere in the world

    It would also were it tried bankrupt the country

    Luckily sources of funding,our lenders would make that outcome very clear before it ever happened by turning off the money tap unless dropped

    Plenty examples of that reality coming home to roost



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,656 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    It is amazing that the latest comments are about how someone sounded in an interview get more attention than the actual housing plan itself.

    Remember the time Obama wore a tan suit and all the Fox News people got mad? This is like that. All emotion, no substance.

    Interesting, not one-pointed and researched remark on the plan itself, just glib, banal, and vexatious stuff. Bingo soundbite politics. Par of the course of course in the age of twitter where mature and reasonable public discourse is all but dead.

    Here is the actual plan, a few hundred pages of stuff to read over. Now, is there something actually in there that people object to, or are people more concerned about what some minister wore at an interview?



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Except im not saying this??


    Just youa idea of market will sort itself as regards housing,hasnt worked and wont work......screaming socialist (lol) at people isnt going to chamge the facts here ........surely after 30 years,levels of homeless not since since famine times,its time for you guys to give up your blind devotion to idelogy??



    Maybe you can give an example in western world,where the market has solved itself as regards housing and virtually elmiated rack rents and homelessness???

    Looks obvious to me,it wont ever work anyway



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Every govt will spend our money, not just FF/FG.

    Costs are the major problem, materials and labour, and regulation standards are at a, very high bar now with energy regulations being a big driver,so costs are going to remain high.

    If you can peddle an illusion that you can supply housing cheaper it's a, big selling point, but still an illusion.

    The state can of course supply housing, but it will be at huge cost no matter who's in govt, builders, developers or the labour market aren't going to change their rates for one govt over another, so no matter who provides state housing its our money they are going to provide it with and the costs won't be any different.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You want the state to pay for everything

    That means I pay for everything

    The chickens at home eventually roosting in higher taxes when our lenders question ability to pay once we've maxed out the states credit card

    The state should in my opinion be facilitating supply meeting demand to as much an extent possible and only then supplying accommodation for those that are left

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This looks like an interesting programme about people leaving the city life for the country. https://www.independent.ie/regionals/sligochampion/lifestyle/moving-west-a-new-reality-40537991.html

    Where there’s a will, there’s a way.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    Where have i said i want state to pay for everything?


    the state facilitating supply meeting demand,drives houses to investment funds,who will forever and a day be able to price people out of the market....theres no point in econmic recovery/expansion of it deosnt improve lives of people living in country,we dont exist to funnel money to forgien investment funds,nor line pockets of landlords



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Theres no point in econmic recovery..

    I stopped reading after you said that



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Was just reading the latest exchequer report and it is remarkable how well the economy has done. I don't think even the wildestly optimistic projections predicted such a rapid turnaround. Puts us in good shape for the 2022 Budget next month.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/arid-40372088.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,972 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It's kinda important that you do continue reading, because it is the reason FF and FG are falling to their lowest share of the vote ever. Only some are benefiting from their policies.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    ...imagine someone thinking econmic recovery should benefit the population of the country and not use it to funnel money out of state to investment funds.....try to answer logically,without screaming socialist (lol),how wanting above is now regarded as bad by ffg



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,656 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Is there anything in the new plan you like or don't like?

    Do you still stand over your accusation that Ireland is a failed state, like Afghanistan?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I was brought up in the belief that you get on in life via the sweat of your brow ,not hand outs

    I doubt actually the ruse that you can spend what you like and tax what you like to support increasingly people incentivised not to bother making as much of an effort as everyone else ultimately can do anything else other than fail

    Fail when it runs out of money and fail when the people discover it was all a cod

    There'll be two sets of angry people then

    The new one will be bigger though, I think

    Like a lot of people, I'm looking forward to the told you so moment



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,972 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I doubt actually the ruse that you can spend what you like and tax what you like to support increasingly people incentivised not to bother making as much of an effort as everyone rlse ultimately can do anything else other than fail

    Wha?



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Just pointed out your delusion

    Your 'wha' reply I'll count as accepting that



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,972 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Wha or what has it to do with the point Blaaz made though? That wasn't what he was asking.

    Here it is again, maybe you'll take the time to read it this time instead of ranting about something nobody was talking about.

    theres no point in econmic recovery/expansion of it deosnt improve lives of people living in country,we dont exist to funnel money to forgien investment funds,nor line pockets of landlords



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,972 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So how does your rant answer what I said?

    That FG and FF's vote share is falling precisely because they are not doing what Blaaz outlined? Enacting policy to ensure everyone benefits from economic upturns?

    The welfare state and taxation system is their responsibility BTW, they run it, if it is flawed or being exploited, then it is up to them to fix it.

    The people not benefitting from economic success have been the lower paid i.e, those working just like you and me.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Your view of what's a rant and my view of what's a rant

    Entirely different

    Your view of voters choices and my view of voters choices

    Entirely different



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Leo V’s arch nemesis Kate O Connell on Brendan O Connor Rte Radio One now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,972 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I think the problem is your view of what was said.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Great radio this morning. Kate O'Connell fairly stuck the knife in. All commentators admitted that public perception for government politicians is as poor as it has ever been. The mantra "we are all in this together" never applied to FFG and they are forever rewarding each other with crony appointments or similar benefits.

    It's also clear that Martin is the biggest loser in the Coveney fiasco. We all know he is telling lies but Martin is refusing to act because he desperately wants to remain taoiseach until his term ends.

    The new housing plan also got roundly dismissed by 2 experts on the Brendan O'Connor show as all words and no action. One example, the empty houses tax, won't be inacted until 2022 earliest. If you are serious, do it now. Clueless.

    I see a very tough 6 months in store for the coalition of chaos.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,972 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If this story breaking about the government jet being used is true,(I'm not saying it is) Leo will be gone before Coveney.



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