Republic of Ireland Team 2023/24 [old thread]

Lee Carsley has plenty of underage experience (currently England U21)

Hes only been caretaker boss at club level but won manager of the month during a 6 match spell at Coventry (or maybe Brentford)

And he won't touch the FAI with a barge pole after the way they treated him before. Plus why would you walk away from the U21s job after just getting it and walk into our senior job when you could be unemployed again in 12 months. If he's smart he won't consider us for another few years.

Don't agree. The hunt for a new manager isn't something that's going to happen in days or weeks, especially given the season has just started. We also have games in October and November. I can't see us getting someone in place this year. Also, if we sacked Kenny, we'd have Crawford as interim manager, someone who would almost certainly be worse than what we have.

I would leave Kenny where he is until the end of the year and give him the chance to finish out this campaign. International football throws up a lot of strange results, only need to look as Israel hammering Austria yesterday. There's still a slim if unlikely hope Kenny can finish out strong.

too inexperienced and has just taken a job with great prospects.

I assume the who scored site based it on the number of crosses McClean put in. But they do not factor in that many were miles too high, or hit the first man. Same sort of guff said about Adama Traore at wolves people going on about ‘underlying stats’ . But the guy can’t shoot with composure, cross or pass when you watch the games.

Well you’d assume wrong

https://www.whoscored.com/Explanations

I think that’s a big question should they look to replace Kenny.

In 19/20, the average championship manager salary was £878k(might be a little less now since Leeds were promoted)

Since there’s no way to compete with Championship wages, how on Earth could you expect to convince someone of that caliber that the Ireland job right now is a good career move? It’s a young, inexperienced squad that will take a lot of work to maybe, maybe get to a euros in 3 years. It’s a huge time commitment for something that is going to be a hugely difficult and financially uncompetitive.

I think if we get rid of Kenny, we will have massive trouble trying to get someone nearly as motivated to replace him.

There’s a lot less work in being an international manager than a club manager so wages offered should reflect this.

plus the prize money figures for success in the championship are larger than international prize funds

Have to say, I agree with most of that.

There is a bit of a strawman argument being put out by some that the players are just not good enough. We know this isn't a particularly talented batch, but there's no way they should only be winning 1 in 15 games.

The point still stands though. If you were a young manager with championship experience would you commit yourself on relatively low wages to an uncompetitive national team for 3 years or wait for a club job to open up?

The only people you’d interest are managers nearing the end of their careers looking for a handy payday.

I dont get this mindset. What benefit is "starting young players"? If they arent ready to start then whats the point in starting them for the craic.

Might aswell just call up the U18 squad next time since young=good for some.

And Steve Cooper had a ball of experience before a championship team with promotion aspirations gave him a job. The hysteria from some before Kenny even stepped foot in the job would have been a million times worse if you had suggested that the England U17s manager as the Ireland national team manager two years ago

Players only find their feet at international level after 15-20 caps. Best to get them in because they are the future

I think mick or Oneill would be giving youth a chance personally. It’s the percentage smart call.

Mick and O’Neills job was to qualify us for major tournaments at any cost, so giving youth a chance was out the window for getting the most match fit defensively sound team out on the pitch.

O’Neill specifically had chances to give Rice a senior competitive cap but decided against it.

And that's all Steve Cooper was until Swansea gave him a job, a more important job than the Ireland job IMO because it's a day to day job with financial consequences much bigger than us.

Indeed, good for Swansea. The England under 17 job is not preparation for the Ireland senior job.

Who was a better DM for Ireland than Rice at the time?? We had an ageing Whelan I believe, and Rice is just in a different class than him.

And Kenny is of course making wholesale changes. The average age of the team under Kenny is several years younger than previous managers. He’s just not changing everything immediately.

He has his problems and might not be the man for the job but he’s putting far more effort into refreshing the squad than anyone since Mick the first time.

That’s because they are players there to refresh the senior side. Under Oneill in particular the well ran dry.

rice was playing occasionally as a center back for west ham when that Moldova rolled around, we didn’t need a center back. If Oneill ignored anyone greviously it was john Egan but our center back options were good as performing very well.

Any anyway Declan rice is an English man with English parents and good luck to him. I don’t cry about these things personally but that’s just me

That makes it somewhat more understandable I suppose. Even still he was highly rated and could have easily been locked down by being given a few minutes but O’Neill wasn’t interested.

But it worked out well for Rice as he’s part of his preferred team so no use dwelling on it!

McClean has little quality and wasn’t great yesterday, was he deserving of singling out as a terrible performer. Not really. Was he worst or more wasteful than Doherty on other wing back slot. Not in my estimation.

Whatever about individual mistakes, at half-time Azerbaijan - ranked one place above Mozambique - were leading us on possession and shots on target. That is 100 per cent on the coach since the entire point of bringing him on board was to inculcate his much hyped brand of football that we were told would see us unleash our talented players. By the end of the game - when we actually had them on the ropes - it was actually the style of play of previous coaching regimes, i.e. get the ball in the box and rattle them. It was an aerial assault at the end which would have made Tony Pulis proud, following the game against Portugal where our goal came from our old friend, the set piece.

So I don't get this 'give him more time' argument. As time goes by, we see that our biggest threat remains one of the defenders getting on the end of a cross.

I remember Mick getting slagged on co-comma for sky for saying Ireland need to cross it more.

our football intelligentista had their say in an abusive way towards Mick on that.

fast forward to yesterday…

there’s nothing very different in how we played football yesterday to anything seen under mick and Martin. We we’re more susceptible to attack through the center of our midfield. After that…not sure I saw big differences.

that’s just yesterday, Portugal match held more encouragement