The Ivermectin discussion

How about a specialised vegetarian diet that combines a Covid vaccine (completely vegetarian) with a 5 day course of Fentimans Curiosity Cola (also completely vegetarian) - this would, maybe, possibly, even highly likely, provide even better protection than the vanilla, boring, main stream vegetarian diet in the study...

If it's being given in a hospital setting to people who are gravely ill, then absolutely, throw the kitchen sink at it. If you're running out of options and you've doctors and nurses to monitor, then why the hell not.

However, the issue with ivermectin is that it's NOT being used in hospitals, people are going out and getting it themselves and dosing for prophylaxis, or clueless GPs are writing scripts with no idea what they're doing. No one has any idea if it works, what the dose is, how often they should take it... yet they're falling over themselves to get it.

It's like those 'meme stocks' that went crazy earlier in the year. People were buying all the GameStop shares they could, not because it was profitable, not because there was any sound financial reason to do so, they did it because the internet. They did it to stick it to the man. And it was all driven by a few shady characters on Reddit with very questionable motives.

Likewise there isn't any real evidence that ivermectin works, but people can't separate the question of whether it actually works from the whole myth of 'government and big pharma colluding for $$$' bullshit. People have decided it works because the man says it doesn't, and this whole thread is a desperate search for validation of that.

Ivermectin is a meme Covid treatment.

The reason people are pushing back on it is due to the people pushing it as a miracle cure, most on this thread are happy to wait and see the clinical results in a well run trial (after approval it would then just be part of treatment if successful).

What's instead happening is a number of pseudo doctors and actual doctors are pushing it based on weak and scant evidence and people will push back on that. Malone, one of the pushiest for it, both announced he had long Covid and that Invermectin cured it in the same post. That is a typical scam used to get rid of anybody who isn't pliable to misinformation, you bring the bar so low that those left will 100% fall for whatever scam you can come up with.

And the company that makes Invermectin isn't interested in pursuing it for COVID and other similar patent free drugs are being used. It's completely stretched credulity at this point and doesn't even fall in the "try it because it might work" bucket that a number of other treatments might.

And remember, the chances of surviving COVID-19 are very high, those that are typically using Invermectin are in that high survivor rate bucket, so you're looking for differences in the 0.2% of people that don't make it, which needs a properly run, well thought out trial with a promising dosing regimen.

I listened to several doctors recently who stated that taking prescription medication without a prescription, for an unrelated illness that the medicine was created for, was a bad idea. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also, it is being latched onto it as a wonder drug versus covid and promoted instead of vaccines. Which is nonsense and should be villified.

Together with the conspiracy theory angle that 'big business' are keeping this wonder drug from you because it's off patent and they won't make money from it. Which is nonsense as the dexamethasone studies show.

The recent major independent study involving 1500 patients run by McMaster University and conducted in Brazil showed no effect on recovery versus a placebo for Ivermectin for hospitalised patients.

So it's right to challenge those angles on this thread and villify the claims that are made for it in the media, many of which are lies.

People are ODing on Ivermectin by self medicating because of such lies. There have consequences.

Nobody is on here saying don't run a proper trial into its use in long covid or as a treatment, but it needs to be a proper trial, not self medication.

And if there is a doctor in India who has a serious case of covid and no other medicines than Ivermectin, they get a free pass on it... but don't pretend it's anything more than a desperate punt which might get lucky.

Sure, but it's used because it has been shown to work. This is not about people self-dosing it's whether the drug is of any use and we don't have an answer on that yet. There are trials ongoing and we should get indications enough.

When was that video filmed?

Is it the same video factchecked below?

Many posts online containing the video make it seem like the video was filmed in August; however, it was filmed in February. Seven months later, Japan has not approved of Ivermectin to be used to treat COVID-19.

Japan's health ministry's COVID-19 treatment guidelines revised in July places ivermectin in a category of drugs whose efficacy and safety have not been established. The guidelines refer to reports that the drug does not improve mortality, shorten hospitalization or hasten the reduction of viral loads in patients with mild symptoms.

AAARRGH, the same nonsense came up earlier in the thread.

So, once again: in Africa, some people don't only have Covid, they have an infection with a parasitic intestinal worm on top of that. Which increases the possibility of severe illness and death - two infections at the same time could do that.

Now, if you treat the parasitic intestinal worms, this second illness goes away. If you don't treat it, it does not go away.

Which explains why there are fewer Covid deaths when they're treated with Ivermectin. It does not mean that Ivermectin is actually effective against Covid. It means it works as intended against the illnesses it is prescribed for.

Correlation is not causation.