New Housing for All Plan launched

Honestly, I don't know. One doesn't need to be able to solve a problem to point out that it exists, however.

In fairness, that is a cop-out. The fact you won't even offer a solution shows you are beating on an agenda.

I disagree. Pointing out that a house is on fire when one cannot help to put it out is not a flaw. I have no real solution because I would not be so arrogant as to suggest that I know how to fix what is not an easily addressed problem. Is it a cop-out simply to admit a limitation?

However, if you insist, I will offer my thoughts...

Firstly, the problem, as I see it, is that the population of the country is being raised by policies enacted by the state. Why is the state doing this? Well it seems to me that it is acting in tandem with neo-liberal/globalist agendas that can be seen across the West. That is, to produce a large population base with little cultural or societal unity that can be tapped as a constant stream of wealth generating income. In other words, tax-cattle.

How would I suggest that this be fixed? Well by that, you're asking me how I propose to fix a problem that has, as I se it, been deliberately engineered by the states of the world and by interest groups. That's not exactly a one-sentence fix, with respect. Yet if I were to suggest a starting point, it would be a reform of the state to limit its ability and means to engage in such projects. To me, all that the state should be doing is maintaining roads and basic services from a totally apolitical position. Again, this is not a simple fix, and I'm lack both the intelligence and the knowledge to address it.

By the way, you earlier said that there are a lot of conspiracy theories wrapped up in the housing crisis. This is true, but what I mentioned above is not conspiratorial at all. States are rather candid in their intentions though things like Ireland 2040 and other such plans. There is no "hidden agenda" here; the agenda is perfectly clear.

If we've got several thousand people's worth of accommodation sitting empty in Dublin alone - which we do - and we're still constructing hotels and student apartments - which we are - then supply & demand of either housing or building resources is a long way from the whole story.

If it's profitable to keep those units empty now, then we could stop allowing flights, boats or blimps to the island this minute and our problem would almost certainly remain as it is, because that gap between people and places to live is man-made and maintained.

Until we make it a liability for funds to keep units empty the goalposts will keep outpacing us no matter what else we do.

With respect, have you read the Ireland 2040 plan? Have you read the Housing for All plan? Are you familiar with how interest groups, NGO's and corporations can and do exert influence on states? There is no masonic lodge, coven of reptilians or aliens at work here. My reading of the available information and evidence of my own experience has led me to to the conclusion that the state is acting as I have described. Could I be mistaken? Absolutely.

What you are saying is that you disagree with my point of view any my conclusions, and I can respect and accept that. Likely, you and I have come to a different conclusion, but please do not simply label a conclusion different to your own as a conspiracy theory simply because you do not agree with it.

Yes, I read about housing plan, and I feel that I read to much about Ireland housing situation and economy.

It's conspiracy, because it's based on the same ones believes that global powers wants bad to their nations. It's conspiracy, as all other global problems perceived as being intentional and planned. It's makes no sense even to discuss such conspiracy, because it will always end in circles, as it's not based on facts, but on believes that event A is intentional caused by event B.

Then your reading of the available data has led you to conclusions other than my own. I respect your point of view, and I actually hope greatly that you are right and that I am mistaken. Believe me, I take no joy in my own musings that the state may be compromised.

I won't attempt to change your mind, as that's not generally what I try to do with anyone, but let me add one closing point. I do not believe that those who govern the states of the West want ill for the nations over which they govern. I actually think that in their own minds, they believe that they are doing what they perceive to be right. Virtually nobody acts out of a desire to be "evil", even those whose deeds are perceived as such after they take place.

Just going to leave this here for those who keep claiming the housing lists are only full of people in dire need of accommodation, no-one is exploiting the system and the government is to blame for not throwing unlimited amounts of money at them.

Even if they did, where would they live whilst building them? Furthermore, where will the materials come from? Where will the land come from? Who will finance the building, and what will the want in return?

There are many supply issues at work in the world. One thing there is not is a paucity of human beings, for good or for ill.

In Ireland we get a large amount of highly skilled immigration from other EU countries. The population is the greatest resource that a country has, I mean look at Switzerland, they don't have much in the way of natural resources and they are one of the wealthiest countries in the world.

To get a person to the stage that they are a productive member of society requires an enormous investment from the state in their education among other things. When we get highly skilled immigrants we are getting the finished article, where the investment was made by another country.

The issue here is that the social model/contract is completely broken. We have demand for a better health service, subsidised housing etc and we keep a million people outside the tax net. These are the people who are demanding increased services. The water charges protests changed my view about the country completely, people want services but they want others to pay for them. At that point I realised, in Ireland, it is everyone for themselves. It isn't about building something for the long term. I don't think our culture is suited to thinking long term and everyone contributing.

I would assume we will have a SF government the next time, but I think people are deluded if they think the housing crisis will be resolved by their policies. I am also expecting they will look to increase taxes on higher earners, so I think I will just work from another country as a remote contractor for a while to see how it pans out.

I suppose the main difference between now and then is that people are a lot more mobile. The state has to be attractive for people who contribute and not just be a demand on resources. I just don't see how any government can meet peoples expectations here. It will not be possible to provide highly subsided housing for a large chunk of the population.

What happens when we've enough houses. What do all these people work at then?