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Reseed now or spring

  • 01-09-2021 10:44pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭


    Started a thread earlier,I am just wondering I was thinking of reseeding a field, probably ploughing it, is it two late to spray it off in the next day or two or would I be better to wait till spring?

    if waiting till spring what could be the earliest date you could sow grass seed, mid April?

    Never sow grass before in the spring time, so if sow as early as possible time wise what would be a rough date you should be exspecting to graze the field?

    what do people find here better the autumn or spring to reseed?

    If sown in autumn does this effect post emergence spray?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    You’ll probably get different opinions on both and in essence both will be fine. The challenge you will have if you spray now, you’ll need to give it ten days to burn off before ploughing and you’ll be at the mercy of the weather. Whilst it’s perfect at the moment, that could change as you head towards mid to end of September. if weather holds, you could sow well into October. Same in spring, you just need the weather to play ball (& no frost)

    That said, I’m basing that on my heavy midlands land which once it gets wet at this time of year, it simply doesn’t dry. I ploughed one year around 20th August, weather broke and ended sowing on 7th May following year!!

    Worst case scenario, assuming that you are planning for without the ground for the winter so you spray now, plough in a couple of weeks and if you get it sown, then great, and if not then it’s ploughed and ready for tilling once the spring comes.

    probably won’t need post emergence spray in autumn but you will definitely in spring sowing

    should be ready for grazing after 6 weeks in the spring and a bit longer for autumn. If you could graze with sheep the fist time, better job. Lighter on the ground and will graze tighter

    best of luck



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    At this stage I'd wait for spring, too late to start unless it is ground that has been dug up for drainage etc. I would walk thru it see what weeds are there and at a stage for spraying if so spray with a selective herbicide.

    Would also feed it away before the closed period, slurry fert or dung, will help boost indexes before spring and and will help get a few extra grazings. Target it for the spring then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,335 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    would it grow in six weeks if sown in april, not around here anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭morphy87


    yeah it’s too late for disking,so if only sprayed now it could be mid September,a neighbor bounding me sowed years ago the last week of September and it absolutely flew it so Maybe It might be worth it,even though most people here say your reseeding should be done by the end of August



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Not really. I've alot of discing to do from 2 weeks onwards



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    This is true. Less weeds in the autumn but also alot less chance of getting out with post emergence spray if required due to weather



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    All depends on what you know about your own ground.

    Stuff that was sown late last year grew well over the winter for this spring. Also the weather turned and there was ground sprayed off that wasn't sown till April this year.

    I sowed grass in early March this year and it grew well. Lads that waited till mid April then got caught with the late frosts in May and the grass got checked. Then stuff sown in May git caught with the drought and got dirty as the weeds could outperform the grass that had no moisture.

    Reseeding is a gamble at the best of times. There is no such thing as a one stop method. Your really st the mercy of the gods and the weather at the best of times. Seen farmers do everything right and the crop be poor and lads that did the bare minimum and got a Savage crop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭morphy87


    So if you do sow in the autumn and it does need spray how do you overcome that problem? What is the latest you could spray? What happens if chick weed gets a hold?

    so what’s the latest date you reckon you will be sown this year?

    Post edited by morphy87 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭DJ98


    What is the best time to use a post emergence spray and are there any suitable for clover?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Usually from 4 to 6 weeks after germinating depending on the weed establishment

    Clovermax is used as a clover safe spray but have heard mixed results. I had good results but others haven't. Most farmers nowadays are sowing clover free mixes and sorting the weeds with the likes of envy which is deadly to weeds and clover alike, then stitching in clover once they have a handle on the weeds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Chickweed usually is sorted by either mowing or grazing.

    You may not need to spray till the spring if you sow late as the weeds may not get established with the harsher weather and of it does the weeds will die back over the winter where the grass will keep establishing. How often have we seen more grass growing in Dec than the previous Oct.

    I've sown in Oct some years and stopped in Sept in others due to weather. It all depends on the back end on how kind it is weather wise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭morphy87


    If grass was sown by the 20th of September would you be hoping to graze it early November before the winter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    It’s all about the weather....... you’d need good weather all along but it’s possible. That said, I’d be letting out a few sheep as opposed to 30 dry cows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,841 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    As usual that'd depend ...

    What's the soil like - what's the weather like - how heavy are the stock ?

    And I suppose how'l you're reseeding , disking- ploughing

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭morphy87


    Soil is very dry, it turns like powder when dry,stock will be around 440 kgs

    If doing the job i hope to plough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,715 ✭✭✭blackbox


    If you sow it now and it's not a success, you get another chance in spring.

    If you wait until spring and it doesn't take you don't get a second chance!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    I wouldn't plough unless you really had to. That type of ground would respond well to discing and powerharrow. Would be quicker too and easier to level



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭morphy87


    Why wouldn’t you plough?

    The reason I was going to plough was to level the field



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Burying your best topsoil plus can be harder to level at times. If the ground is as dry as you say it'll turn to powder very quickly and easily hence discing would do



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭morphy87


    What depth does a plough usually go now? I know it varies, how long would you want to leave a field after sprayed off before ploughing? So people say a week others say 10 days

    Does spreading dung make much of a difference?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    If you do plough get it rolled just before it dries out fully. Helps with the tillers afterwards when you flatten it down



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭morphy87


    If it was dry land would there be any need to go 9 inches, so would you get away ploughing 5 or 6 days after spraying?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭morphy87


    So what would you recommend, plough, roll, harrow,spread fertilizer, sow and then roll? Would you spread lime before plough or after?

    Would stones have to be picked before sowing or could this be done later?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭morphy87


    I would be turning up real fine dry black boggy soil,almost like powder or dust



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Be careful with that type of soil. For that type of ground my advice would be to spray off (you are getting late for that now tho) Disc maybe twice. Remove stones. Add lime and fert. Roll just before the powerharrow and roll again afterwards. That type of ground gets very wet or very dry easily so there is a possibility of the grass struggling if not much rain arrives after sowing hence why autumn would suit better than Spring so it will need a good solid seedbed. Consolidating the seedbed is the most common overlooked part of reseeding. It's becoming that much of an issue I'm starting to run a front press infront of the powerharrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭morphy87


    So really if I am doing this job I would want to have it sprayed by the weekend at the latest?

    You are spot on about the soil it drys out very quick and gets wet quickly as well

    If ploughing would you recommend a land level?if ploughing would the stones need to picked before sowing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Yes. Spray tomorrow of your determined you could plough if you wish after a week. Roll after the plough and then landlevel. Pick your stones and roll again. Then roll after your powerharrow or that ground could even be stitched with a greenmaster if levelled enough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭morphy87


    When do you hope to have all your reseeding work complete?

    How soon after ploughing could you sow?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    I'm reseeding and stitching for the next 2 weeks at least.


    Sow as soon as your happy it's level and dry and rolled



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭DJ98


    Resseed a field exactly one year ago from today, to look at it the old pasture was better. The new reseed is completely covered in creeping thistles. It didn't receive any post emergence spray as the ground was too wet to travel on last year. How best would you now control this problem? Contractor reckons it may have to be completely resown again next year. Chickweed was also a major problem in the spring and early summer but topping has sorted this out and made the thistle problem worse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    What did you give it during the year fert wise? Is it a clover sward? New reseeeds generally need to be fed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,335 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Thistlex controls thistles very well, your reseed has got so bad now you'll have to forget about minding the clover and stitch in clover when you control the weeds I'd say.

    You may wait untill next may to spray thistles...... keep them mowed now so they don't smother any more new grass

    The new grass varieties needs good fertility



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,335 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Great growth at the moment, grass seed would absolutely fly at the moment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭morphy87


    I would prefer at this stage to wait for the spring, I will be spreading dung on it shortly, so if I was to plough it the end of March I could give it slurry and more dung in March, if I was to plough it the end of March and had it ready early April, what would be the earliest date in April I could sow? I can’t do without this field for to long in the spring, if sown early April and weather came right would I have this back in grazing by the 11 or 12 of May?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭DBK1


    I think no matter what way the weather comes you’ll never have a field ready for grazing in 4 weeks at that time of year. If you were unfortunate enough that we got another April like this year then the grass might not be even appearing above ground by early May.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭morphy87


    So you reckon it could be late May before it would be ready to graze? If it was that late it might be worth talking the gamble now even if it is getting late



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    We never did much reseeding but we always worked off the assumption that mid April was in or around when you get the seed in and you would be grazing 7 weeks later…

    Depending on year, you might be able to go earlier, or it could be later too…

    Will you be doing all the work yourself? If not, have you spoken to your contractor as to what they recommend? Depends on what tools or machinery they have too.

    No offence, but you just need to decide yourself. As others have said, it’s a gamble as it’s all so weather dependant. I would think you would need to decide fairly sharpish if you intend to do it this autumn…

    EDIT - What seed are you planning to put in? Heavy clover, or just ryegrass or a mixed multi species job? If it’s clover or multi species, you have less options for spray so would it be correct to say they suit autumn seeding more?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,882 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    How much are contractors charging for the one pass system?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,335 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    A neighbour reseeded last Autumn and didn't spray it so had to resow this spring, his land was boggy and prone to chickweed



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    If u spread dung on grass now would I be able to graze it in October?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭morphy87


    I spread it usually around now on fields that are bare, I spread it very lightly and I usually graze these fields by the end of October



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