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Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    One of the main reasons of hate for Twitter is the fact that the narrative can't be controlled.



  • Administrators Posts: 53,813 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    This is a fairly vacuous statement.

    One of the main reasons for hate for twitter is that it allows things that are demonstrably false to be portrayed as fact, as has happened in this case. How many people now think Leo Varadkar took the government jet to a concert, when this was completely fabricated and has absolutely no basis in reality whatsoever. In reality, there is little difference between this misinformation and the anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers, conspiracy theorist loons. The same principles apply, social media can amplify any voice no matter if they are making things up or not.

    This thread in the past day or so is a great example of what can happen when fiction is assumed to be fact. A good few posters on here have been led up the garden path by this and are now having a hard time getting out of the hole they dug for themselves after leaping head first into something that is absolute nonsense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    So you don't think it's all about controlling the narrative ?. Talking about false things been portrayed as fact, just ask RTE who have had to pay out a few times. The Sean Gallagher incident on the presidential debate springs to mind.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Half the stuff on Twitter is an attempt to "control the narrative".

    Everyone does it on every platform. Its the very reason stories such as this are believed so readily.

    Professional media is obviously far from flawless, but it is both far more consistently reliable and faces far more penalties when not so then some randos on twitter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    People's opinions aren't facts necessarily. I thought everyone knew that? Seems to me people in certain qusarters don't like any Tom Dick or Harry having an outlet they can't manage.

    Imagine being back in the Haughey days were journalists are phone tapped or the Fine Gael days were the Garda act the heavy or journalists keep quiet because they want an adviser role?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    You're giving far too much attention to the jet story podge. The journalist who got his info wrong clarified it as soon as they could, retracted the story, and apologised. I can't for the live of me understand why Varadkars people didn't do that themselves earlier in the day, but anyways....

    Twitter isn't responsible for Varadkars stoking tension ref white/middle-class etc. It's not responsible for him leaking documents to a friend, and him being subject of a criminal investigation by non other than the NBCI. Twitter isn't responsible for him lying about this appointment, attending the Merrion, and having the AG cover for him.

    Leo did that all by himself, Twitter just helped to highlight it



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Varadkar has done plenty to cause himself trouble, I don't deny it. But the problem with the jet story, and these kind of stories in general, is that they take on a life of their own that expands far and wide compared to the acknowledgement of falsehood and retraction. Varadkar's people didn't deny it likely cause they don't want to get involved in every fantastical nonsense story put out on the internet.

    I use twitter a lot, it has many great uses. But it is absolutely not a more reliable source of info in general.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I would say only the fringes of the users of social media still believe he took the flight.

    The journalist retracted and apologised profusely and has been noted that doesn't happen in established mainstream media.

    Overblown criticism again tbh.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,656 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    This thread in the past day or so is a great example of what can happen when fiction is assumed to be fact. A good few posters on here have been led up the garden path by this and are now having a hard time getting out of the hole they dug for themselves after leaping head first into something that is absolute nonsense.

    Who are these posters, can you quote them and what they said?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Hard to argue with a lot of that, but I'm curious if it suited Vardkars people nor to say anything as it suited them, they knew well he was in the UK, and the more the story was being discussed, the more it was detracting from the real issue, namely the terrible optics of him heading to a gig in the UK. everyone knows their was nothing illegal by the way, it was bad optics though, and I genuinely have no idea how a well paid adviser didn't explain this to him (though in saying that, he should have known this himself) especially with the criminal investigation still hanging over him, keep a low profile so to speak.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    He was probably warned about the optics but Leo being Leo he didn't give a ****. I also think it's possible that the person who leaked the story about the jet did it on purpose so as to detract from Leo attending the festival in the UK.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,183 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay



    Here is how it started on the thread. A poster read something I imagine from Twitter and the conspiracy grew legs helped on by posters here until the redaction many hours later.



    It then spread to the music forums fairly quickly.





  • Registered Users Posts: 7,408 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Here we are again.

    More made up conspiracies.


    Nothing has been detracted, everyone is aware of the picture and him at the festival.


    Rent fee lads, rent free.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,656 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Thats doesnt answer the question I posed to @awec who said "A good few posters on here have been led up the garden path by this"

    I've read the thread and not one poster on here said Varadkar was on the government jet so I cant understand the claim that "A good few posters on here have been led up the garden path by this"

    All i see on the thread is allegations by FG supporters on here but no acutal proof of posts. It seems to me that the FG brethren are literally just making stuff up that nobody ever posted.

    If Im wrong then quote the posters, its that simple.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It happens frequently in established mainstream media. However, it happens less frequently that this **** would get to the publication stage in the first place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,183 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay



    Just gave 3 examples and on the new site that was hard enough. If you think them posts are not good examples no skin off my nose but coming back looking for more is disingenuous at best. Will let AWEC respond further if they want to. I don't speak for him\her.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    I said it's possible, sure anything is possible these days, especially when it concerns Leo. I remember late last year people on here claiming Leakgate was over blown and nothing to see here. Guess what it hasn't gone away so as I said before anything is possible.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    This is insanely conspiratorial and just unhinged from reality.


    I suspect Varadkar, as reported, would have been more than happy for EP to go ahead and therefore doesn't view his attendance at this event as a problem. It is pretty poor optics all things considered and more evidence of the coalition being somewhat fractious.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Social Media is here to stay, it is different to mainstream media in that it has no editor, so you have to be your own.

    Like any breaking news story it got commented on, there are examples of this all over this site. Nobody was taking it as fact though, that I seen.

    And I am not aware of a single person here or on Twitter that believes it now.

    Fair attempt all day to try and exonerate Varadkar on the basis of it. But on the story goes.

    What we got was a stellar example of what any journalist or newspaper/TV programme should do when a source turns out to be bad. A full unequivocal retraction and apology.

    Would that our established media do the same. As I said earlier, on this very forum, you will find people who still believe stories that are speculative and unproven that came from the 'hallowed moral bastion' of the print media.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Not necessarily unhinged as I said before anything is possible, thats how spin works. If Leo wanted EP to go ahead he could have given it test status.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,656 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    So you cant do it, surprise, surprise <rollyeyes>. Not one poster here posted that Varadkar was definitely on the government jet. You were asked to provide quotes by posters saying it and you couldnt do it, now why is that?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,183 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay



    Pure drivel of a response not sure why you quoted me.

    "And I am not aware of a single person here or on Twitter that believes it now."

    I would hope not considering its 24 hours since the so called journalist retracted the fake news story based on nothing.

    Right up there with the Paddy Cosgrave "dead nurse" story.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Right up there with the Paddy Cosgrave "dead nurse" story.

    or Leo's corpse one?

    You are one of the posters having a huff about people commenting on a story as it was breaking.

    I suspect all this is because it was Leo and the concern about social media is not real.

    Most people have accepted social media for what it is and don't take anything as fact until it is confirmed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,476 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    One would think the so called ‘journalist’ would have verified his ‘story’ before going into the public realm


    People who behave like that should start looking for another job kind of rapid.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Maybe this source had not let him down before so he went with it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    The Leo Defence Team are like a broken record in the way they all repeat the same phrases over and over again. Sometimes they pick a new phrase and run with that for a while, but I have to laugh when I hear the 'rent free' one. I imagine, like me 95% of the posters couldn't be bothered giving a 2nd thought to Leo most a lot of the time, but only do when Leo makes some f*ck up or does something that is really sticking his fingers up at the rest of us. Which, if you go back to since he became FG Leader, is quite a lot of times.

    But it seems in their minds he can do no wrong. Literally. I imagine a giant poster of Leo in the wall of their mind, along with their favourite Leo movie quotes and Kylie playing in the background. Unhealthy blind following. The idea of mindlessly following anybody, but particularly somebody so crap is utterly mind boggling to me.

    Rent free? Have a long hard look in the mirror, You may get a better picture of where he is living 'rent free'.

    I know this won't stop the FG lot from using the phrase over and over and over again for another week or two until they come up with another, but like the angry, sexist, misogynistic, racist etc..previous repetitions It shows that they have no argument, no comeback, and are incapable of even trying to say something constructive. Like the lad who stood in the school playground with his tongue hanging out of the side of his mouth, only capable of 'derrrr'.. Monotonous noise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,476 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Unfortunately journalism today depend on these ‘sources’, one is given to understand.

    Usually, it appears, disgruntled individuals holding grudges.

    So called ‘journalists’ should surely check out the veracity before going public.

    A few hefty court cases would soften their coughs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    How many journalists wouldn't be working at all if that was the case?

    If it had turned out to be true and he didn't report it, he'd be facing the 'you are in the wrong job' stuff too.

    There are stories published all the time that are not based on fact but speculation and there are posters here that pile onto them like the proverbial flies around you know what.

    I do love the way they pretend they don't and head for the high moral ground when it's Leo.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,476 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    You seem to be saying that so called ‘Journalists’ should take a chance and perhaps ruin a persons career then?



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