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Using DeGiro

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    Is degiro down for anyone else? Can't login on app or laptop

    Working fine for me (@15.30)


  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭dontparkhere


    Working again fine, wasn't down for too long


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,860 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    When are they ever going to add US options so degenerates like me can gamble?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,923 ✭✭✭daheff


    Anybody know how to change account back to basic? I changed it recently to active, but it's given me ability to trade on margin, something which I don't really want to have.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    daheff wrote: »
    Anybody know how to change account back to basic? I changed it recently to active, but it's given me ability to trade on margin, something which I don't really want to have.


    There are two account types as far as I know. Custody and Margin.

    If you go Custody you cannot change to Margin (you can transfer your portfolio to Margin, will take 3-5 days and cost €7.50 per position). I'm sure there is a click of a button option, but they say no.

    You may possibly be able to do the reverse. They prefer Margin accounts as they will earn money from loaning your shares.

    If you have a Margin account I'd presume you always had one.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,932 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Where is the button to click to find annual reports of holdings?

    (not lists of annual transactions)

    Is it under Activity?
    Orders
    Transactions
    Account statements
    Reports


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Geuze wrote: »
    Where is the button to click to find annual reports of holdings?

    (not lists of annual transactions)

    Is it under Activity?
    Orders
    Transactions
    Account statements
    Reports

    Under activity/reports, and then at the top of the page.

    But if you are a new customer and have never been through a year end with the account, there report won’t be there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Skippy along


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Under activity/reports, and then at the top of the page.

    But if you are a new customer and have never been through a year end with the account, there report won’t be there.


    Is there a tab that shows profit and loss for the month... Can find the trades but not showing p&l


  • Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭richie123


    Can anyone tell me what are sprinters and turbos ?
    I just have a basic account on degiro.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,932 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Under activity/reports, and then at the top of the page.

    But if you are a new customer and have never been through a year end with the account, there report won’t be there.

    Under Activity>Reports, I see:

    Annual Tax Report Addition 2020
    Annual Report 2020
    Annual Costs and Charges Statement - 2019
    Annual Tax Report Addition 2019
    Annual Report 2019
    Annual Costs and Charges Statement - 2018
    Annual Tax Report Addition 2018
    Annual Report 2018
    Annual Tax Report Addition 2017
    Annual Report 2017


    These do not list my holdings?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    Geuze wrote: »
    Under Activity>Reports, I see:
    These do not list my holdings?

    What exactly are you looking for? Your holdings on a specific date?

    If so, just export your portfolio to excel (or csv or pdf etc). On the export option, it will ask you for the date, and will export your portfolio as it stood on that date.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Geuze wrote: »
    Under Activity>Reports, I see:

    Annual Tax Report Addition 2020
    Annual Report 2020
    Annual Costs and Charges Statement - 2019
    Annual Tax Report Addition 2019
    Annual Report 2019
    Annual Costs and Charges Statement - 2018
    Annual Tax Report Addition 2018
    Annual Report 2018
    Annual Tax Report Addition 2017
    Annual Report 2017


    These do not list my holdings?

    Ah sorry I misread your question.

    I think this should give you what you are looking for:
    - in the App, go to the Portfolio tab
    - On the top-right, you should have a download icon (an arrow pointing down at an horizontal line)
    - If you click on the icon you can select a date and then click on the PDF, CSV, or XLS button
    - you should get a file with a simple list of your holdings as of the date you have selected


  • Registered Users Posts: 944 ✭✭✭Kremin


    Hi all, having trouble finding a concrete answer to this question - does anyone know when degiro charges connectivity fees ? My understanding it is 2.50 per stock exchange you are invested in? Is the amount deducted as soon as you make an initial investment or deducted on a certain date each year ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Is there a tab that shows profit and loss for the month... Can find the trades but not showing p&l

    If there is, I don't know how to access it, sorry :-/


  • Registered Users Posts: 604 ✭✭✭a_squirrelman


    Kremin wrote: »
    Hi all, having trouble finding a concrete answer to this question - does anyone know when degiro charges connectivity fees ? My understanding it is 2.50 per stock exchange you are invested in? Is the amount deducted as soon as you make an initial investment or deducted on a certain date each year ?


    For 2021 they charged me €2.50 per exchange on 31/1/2021.
    For 2020 they charged me €0.93 on 1/5/2020, €1.41 on 1/6/2020 and €0.16 on 1/7/2021.
    My first investment was in April 2020 so that could be the reason for the weirdness in 2020.


  • Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Skippy along


    Bob24 wrote: »
    If there is, I don't know how to access it, sorry :-/

    I'll keep looking thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Skippy along


    Having a nice lunch yesterday was rudely interrupted by a email from Degiro informing me of a margin call on my account... Ruined my lunch i can tell you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,462 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Having a nice lunch yesterday was rudely interrupted by a email from Degiro informing me of a margin call on my account... Ruined my lunch i can tell you

    Care to share the process? How close was the "Available to trade" to €0?

    Do they give you a few days to lodge more money or sell the shares you want, or is there some algorithm that decides what shares get liquidated?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭cc87


    Shedite27 wrote: »
    Care to share the process? How close was the "Available to trade" to €0?

    Do they give you a few days to lodge more money or sell the shares you want, or is there some algorithm that decides what shares get liquidated?

    Happened to me previously as well when they lowered the rating of some of my shares at the same time.

    Think it was 2 days to lodge money or they would sell shares, didn't say which shares. I would imagine the shares Degiro rate lower get sold first as to sell the higher rated shares would have a knock on effect of severely lowering your margin.

    The available to trade was below zero, think it was 20/30 quid under when it was triggered.


  • Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Skippy along


    Shedite27 wrote: »
    Care to share the process? How close was the "Available to trade" to €0?

    Do they give you a few days to lodge more money or sell the shares you want, or is there some algorithm that decides what shares get liquidated?

    Here's what they sent me


    Your DEGIRO account has a negative free scope of 3,611.58 EUR.

    Please clear the deficit immediately. If you have not cleared this deficit before 30-06-2021 16:00 CE(S)T. DEGIRO will close positions on your behalf and create a positive free space. DEGIRO charges costs for this.

    If the Risk is equal to or higher than 125% of the Net Liquidation Value, DEGIRO provides a 1-hour deadline to resolve the deficit. If you have not cleared this deficit within the deadline, DEGIRO may decide to close positions in order to eliminate this deficit and create a positive free space. DEGIRO charges costs for this


    What really pissed me off is when I rang them they said sorry that was a mistake

    " Thank you for your call.
    I confirm that the email that you received today, previous to this call regarding a margin call, can be ignored. At the time of this email your free space is not negative and there is no need for us to close some of your positions.



    We apologize for the inconvenience. "


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    Wow, what volatile shares are people margin trading on and to what margin? (and what proportion of your overall portfolio are we talking about?)


  • Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Skippy along


    dotsman wrote: »
    Wow, what volatile shares are people margin trading on and to what margin? (and what proportion of your overall portfolio are we talking about?)

    The thing is I'm not margin trading I'm just day trading buying and selling... it was there mistake which they admitted


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    The thing is I'm not margin trading I'm just day trading buying and selling... it was there mistake which they admitted

    That's very strange (and frightening!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    For some months Degiro did not update any Bank of ireland s.p. changes until evening.
    They have now reverted to the old way with relatively up to the minute data.
    you can also see what the bid offer prices are, this was absent for along while


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭RedRochey


    Does anyone know how often the cash reports are updated? Last one I have is up to end of April


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    transfered money from Bank of ireland this morning. its in de giro now

    used be next day



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Degiro mentioned being able to trade pre and post market hours. Anybody try it yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,462 ✭✭✭Shedite27




  • Registered Users Posts: 817 ✭✭✭jams100


    I saw it yea, but it said extended trading hours were 07:00 to 21:00, I guess that means only extended hours for sone European stock markets?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭Nuttzz


    Sorry for the newbie question but I havent been able to find the information online. I registered for an account a while back and never went back to complete it.

    I went in this week to finish the process and they have asked for my ID, front and back of passport but only allow one file upload. I have tried uploading one of each side and also combining the images into 1 file but with no joy, I've emailed them but heard nothing, anybody got any tips?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's front and back of Drivers Licence not your passport 😁



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Extended hours from 07:00 to 21:00 covers all the US and Europe. It's pretty extensive, but I think they've aborted it again. I emailed them a few days ago about it, but haven't heard anything back from them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭Nuttzz


    The screen says upload your passport, it fails with th driving licence as well. Might just have to look elsewhere



  • Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭busunderer


    my advice is do not use Degiro and here is why..

    I opened an account a few years ago and supplied my passport and other requested documentation, everything was fine, I traded.

    After a few years my account was locked from Trading because my previously valid passport had expired!

    Passport office was closed for a long time due to COVID and Degiro would not allow me to access trade or use my funds without a current passport.

    I had satisfied them day 1 as to my identity and nowhere did the T&C's state that I had to maintain an in date passport.

    I have lost out financially on a lot of trades during my lock out.

    I am exploring my legal options.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Update on this - clarification received. The Out of Hours only works for shares you have bought through that particular exchange, so to trade Out of Hours you need to buy all your stocks through that more expensive method or... just go with Interactive Brokers 🙄

    The other thing is that it doesn't cover all the companies. So, two Mehs from me.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 153 ✭✭the explorer


    I am currently using auto fx, if I want to change to manual is the best thing to sell my USD positions, convert the euro proceeds to dollars manually and then buy back the positions? Is it quick enough to do this? The amounts involved would be enough to negate the €10 charge for the manual currency conversion. Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    What do I need to know about buying shares on the ISEQ on DeGiro? At the moment if I search for a company it says the following:

    "No realtime data available for this exchange; trading is supported. Your orders will be sent to the exchange directly"

    Does this mean that you can buy shares, but will not be able to monitor its performance on DeGiro, or is this just a temporary lack of realtime information?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭cc87


    You can buy shares and monitor it's day to day performance but not view it's current price while the market is open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,462 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Yeah I think the price/value only gets updated at the end of each day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    So effectively you have to check the current price elsewhere before purchasing shares? Not a big deal I guess, but just a little bit awkward.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,860 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    Use Yahoo finance to get the latest price and it'll give you an idea of what your limit order should be to get filled



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    Which begs the question - why buy shares on the iseq (and pay extra fees and tax for the privilege) when you have access to far better exchanges (that have greatly outperformed the iseq) offering far better range of companies to invest in?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Personally, it's down to local knowledge. I'm far more likely to know how the construction industry is performing in Ireland rather than the US so would be more comfortable investing in that industry here.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There's currency risk, but I'd still much prefer to trade other stocks. I don't see much or anything of interest on the ISEQ. Bit of a Zombie exchange.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's where research comes in. You shouldn't trade any stock without knowing the specifics of the company.

    But, take CRH (construction industry) for example. You can trade it on the IQEQ or the LSE with higher volume, cheaper transaction costs, but with currency risk. I'd go with the LSE every time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    That's my point. You've less research to do because you likely know the company. You are also more attuned to issues in that industry locally e.g. a housing crash.

    CRH wouldn't be an example I'd use as they operate heavily internationally.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Less research to do wouldn't be the best strategic plan, imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    TBH, I don't know what "local" knowledge there is to be had. Pretty much anything on the ISQ (as mentioned earlier - a zombie exchange), while Irish owned, if it's going anywhere will get most of its profits from international trade. But, as a relatively small company, will have little to nothing written about it from an investor perspective online. Basically, for any company you are looking to invest in, type in the name of the company into google, followed by "share price", and then hit the news tab. If you are not getting flooded with results from the past few hours/days from expert/reputable sources regarding the share price, recommendations, analysis etc, then you need to be wary - will you ever be able to do decent and up-to-date analysis? No "local" knowledge can beat this.

    I personally prefer, and would strongly suggest to anyone starting out investing, to invest in blue-chip US based stocks. Yes, there is currency exposure (but over time dollar-cost-averaging comes into play), but you are dealing with companies that have constant deep analysis and research done (and presented in clear format to the amateur investor), and going for blue-chip or large growth stocks in companies that you likely understand (just as well as, if not more, an Irish company). i.e. you are far more likely to know and understand the products/services/market of companies like Microsoft, Netflix, Visa, Electronic Arts, Nike (as a quick sample) than you are a company on the ISEQ. You will have easier access to up to date investor info on them. They are likely to grow much faster. They are less exposed to shocks (due to their global presence etc).


    Put it another way. The ISEQ has yet to even recover to it's pre-2008-financial-crisis high. The Nasdaq is over 5 times higher than the pre-crash high, the US500, is over 3 times higher. I know where I prefer my money to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    I think you're missing the point. Less research because you have a strong knowledge of the company already.

    An example I would give is property developers, say Cairn Homes. That's certainly local.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    Are you talking about insider knowledge? Do you know of upcoming deals they are about to announce? Do you understand the profitability, margins etc? Are you aware of what risks the company is exposed to? Its plans for expansion and future growth etc? Do you have access to independent views on the outlook for the company?


    With regards Cairn Homes. This is a perfect example of the ISE. There is very little up-to-date info online about it. It is a high-risk penny stock, that has a negative 5 year return of -3.23% which is terrifying given A) how much the NASDAQ/S&P 500 etc have performed in that time, and B) that it had this terrible performance during a massive building boom (which is when its profits and share price should peak). It has dropped 45% since its 2017 peak. Does your "local knowledge" tell you why that happened and if/when the causes will be reversed? Feel free to gamble on it (this is a degiro thread and not a discussion on a particular share 😁), but it is also available on the LSE where you will pay half the stamp duty, have a lot more activity and pretty much any online resource will be quoting from and not the ISE (i.e. on Degiro, you get the current info with a 15-minute delay, or pay a few quid to get it in real-time)



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