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Schools and Covid 19 (part 5) **Mod warnings in OP**

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There is no recommendation to wear masks in primary school. In fact it was stated this evening that hiqa have completed their review and recommended no change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,652 ✭✭✭✭fits


    NPHET never recommended masks for primary.

    The ISAG did but they have no remit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Registered Users Posts: 345 ✭✭orecir


    They had all summer to prepare and implement them into classrooms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Whocanibe


    I would be interested to know if any Teachers on here are asking their pupils if they are vaccinated? My grandchild's class was asked today to "Hands up whoever has been vaccinated" A terrible question to be asking in view of the fact the children had no choice in the decision to be vaccinated or not, it was their parent's choice to vaccinate or not, as the case may be. One way to single out the unvaccinated, stay away from Johnny or Mary!! I can only hope some of the parents complained about it, I know I would.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,498 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    I know the managers in our company were explicitly told they were not allowed ask any staff anything about vaccination.


    Maybe it's because of the unknown and they are being safe, but for a school to openly ask kids, not in private, but in a full public setting about what is essentially their private medical history is a bit dodgy, to say the least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Whocanibe


    That's what I thought too, but these are strange times. Maybe the teacher feels vulnerable with so many in a class, however, I'm sure they don't ask about any other vaccinations.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,505 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    And being a teacher, I can confirm that every teacher I know would love not to be wearing masks, BUT understand that we have to and will continue to need to wear them for the foreseeable future. Some of us have bought HEPA filters (from our own money) for our rooms too, to protect our students and ourselves. I work with a number of children who are medically vulnerable at the best of times.

    CO2 monitors are the equivalent of a beeping smoke alarm. They tell you there is a problem, but don't do anything to fix it.Add to that that there won't be one for each class room and the "alarm level" is set quite high and they are less than helpful. If the windows and doors are already open, what do you do?Drag the 30 junior infants outside in the rain and wait for the levels to drop?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭History Queen


    I too am surprised that the mask situation in schools hasn't been made more clear in relation to the reopening and relaxation of restrictions.

    Selfishly, I'd love not to have to wear a mask to work, but with the levels of covid in the community as high as they are, I'd prefer masks to remain in schools.

    As for the fabled C02 moniters.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭History Queen


    That should not be happening. The only time a school should ask about vaccination statusisin the case of outbreak due to differing protocols for vaccinated and unvaccinated.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭jrosen


    Not ok. I would hope its not common practice. I know it came up in class with my sons age but that was amongst students who were saying they had been vaccinated.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Yes, our daughter is in 6th and it was a topic of conversation yesterday among the kids - who is 12 and who has had the Vaccine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Whocanibe


    Yes, it's natural for kids to chat about it together. I did think the teacher was out of order. I understand it has already been taken care of, and hopefully it was an isolated incident. I would hate to think a child would be subjected to what I've seen on here regarding vaccination status.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,973 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    So far since the 26th August reported by Alerting Parents of outbreaks in schools

    3 Creches - 3 Cases reported

    3 Pre-school - 3 Cases reported

    40 Primary Schools - 65 Cases reported

    14 Secondary Schools - 18 Cases reported

    60 individual Schools/creches and 89 cases in total.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If the co2 monitors aren’t there then why not open all the windows and the classroom door and allow the air to circulate. If kids are cold can’t they put their coats on. It’s not perfect for sure but at least it allows fresh air to circulate and kids wearing coats means they won’t be too cold. Not an issue now obviously but when the weather gets colder would be. Even pre covid stuffy rooms are not good for anyone, adult or child. Think there is an ambient temperature for rooms around 18 degrees but only something I’ve heard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    I think employers are going to have to be realistic about continuing to facilitate working from home. Otherwise they will have to accept an ongoing level of unscheduled absence or risk a close contact causing widespread absences a week or two later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,304 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    That's interesting, it indicates that there are little or no outbreaks, the multiple cases in some schools could easily be made up of siblings.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not of these are outbreaks in schools, they are outbreaks among staff or pupils in schools that occurred outside schools. It is too soon for outbreaks relating to schools to have come to light



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,973 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    About a week back now? So it's about from now we will start to see the affect. 2 schools have multiple outbreaks, 1 has 8 cases so far and another 6. Will be interesting to watch how it goes from here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,918 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Yes but a single case is not an outbreak:

    3 Creches - 3 Cases reported

    3 Pre-school - 3 Cases reported

    3 places, 3 cases among all 3, meaning a single case in each, so technically not outbreaks.... Yet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,304 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Local school has ten out, they were all together outside of school though, I have not heard of any other cases YET only the group who socialised together, one of them was waiting for a test result, none of them are sick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,973 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    I never said 1 case was an outbreak. There are a few with more than 1 case and remember these are only the ones that the info was passed on for recording. There are plenty of other schools not listed that have cases.

    The main 2 schools I speak of 1 reported 8 cases in 1 day and another 5. Some schools have a number of cases in 1 class.

    People can interpret it as they want.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The earliest anyone who caught it in school would have been tested would have been yesterday if the went back Monday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭the corpo


    "@rtenews Niamh O’ Beirne, the HSE lead for Testing & Tracing said that 700 schools have come forward to report a positive Covid-19 case in their setting, since reopening this week. “What it means is that a child contracted Covid-19 in the community and went to school when 1/3"

    700 cases reported by schools since they reopened.

    So, that's 700 times the HSE is aware that the virus has been brought into schools in just a couple of days, yet still no need for masks or proper ventilation measures? This is madness... Why not do everything we can to make sure schools stay safely open? Nothing is more important.

    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1434183768605143048?s=20



  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    How many kids are sick?

    Why make them wear masks or freeze with windows open?

    If kids aren’t sick then who cares about cases there

    Every adult has got vaccinated

    Or are the people with umbrellas now afraid of the rain?

    Are you afraid?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    Got our Co2 monitor yesterday. Can't say it's going to help me much seen as it's being placed in the least ventilated part of the room well away from the kids. It does have nice colours though



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You do know it’s not a magic shield don’t you?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    So who’s actually sick? There will be war if masks are recommended for Primary. And I don’t mean by teachers, but by parents and many other professionals in the field. I’ve read recently FDA approval will come in the next few months for children to be vaccinated in the US from ages 5-12. This mask wearing ploy here is coercion in the extreme and that’s its only purpose here. Let’s allow the vaccinated children take off their mask. They know the data will show that the risk v benefit ratio will be in realm of the vaccine being more dangerous than Covid to this age group. Let’s not forget flu is more dangerous to young children than Covid.

    It’s one thing to come after adults re vaccine passports. It’s another entirely to even suggest masks on Primary school children would work, and to impact on children’s education PURPOSEFULLY as a means of coercion and control.



  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    Well said

    Anyone suggesting kids of 5 years old need a mask or a vaccine are beyond reason

    Absolute idiots



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Should probably tell the Dept of Education that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,994 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    what the purpose of CO monitors I though it was to indicate how well ventilated a space is, so really you only need a few Co2 monitors, not one for each room, put it in a room for day see how high it gets, and then if possible find ways to increase ventilation if goes above the recommended levels (whether that be the Dept of Eds level or the better level) and then test the next room...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,773 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    What happens if the C02 monitor does give a high reading? Not much can be done if the windows and door are already open. Most schools wud be at capacity regarding rooms as is.

    Haven't seen a C02 monitor yet mind so dunno what kind of reading we'd get 😊😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭the corpo


    You take the kids out to the yard for 10 minutes to give the room a chance to change the air



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Our school still hasn't received any monitors. Are many others still waiting?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭the corpo


    They tell you when the air quality has degraded, not how well ventilated a room is. So, really, each room should have one on at all times. It kind of defeats the purpose to share them and move them around. Air quality can degrade very quickly, and lack of staff or human error could easily see too long an interval before a unit is brought back into a room.

    Supplying one for every classroom seems a reasonable investment, for the benefit they bring.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,994 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    why would air quality suddenly degrade in a room ?

    Post edited by expectationlost on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    I have one of these https://www.ecowitt.com/shop/goodsDetail/97# Not for Covid but because it was an add on to my weather station.

    It just gives you the ppm of CO2 in the room you're in. I do keep an eye on mine and when it gets up to ~1000ppm its definitely time to open the window. WHat I do notice though is that when you open up a window the CO2 goes down very quickly. The air gets refreshed fast, even if the heat in the room doesn't say that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,773 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    We're not allowed bring kids outside. Management forbids it



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Unvaccinated pregnant teachers have to take sick leave if they want to take the time off, which is crazy. Okay, they still get paid, but they won't have as many sick days if something else happens.

    In fairness they should just be given a few extra months off on full pay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭jules86


    Pregnant women can now get the vaccine at any stage of pregnancy.

    I think it's health and safety leave they take not sick leave.

    Pregnancy related illness is usually discounted from sick days.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,713 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Are they prevented from getting the vaccine because they're pregnant ?

    Thought the medical advice was very much in favour.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,340 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    Some pregnant women have reported being refused the vaccine despite it being recommended elsewhere. There was definitely a lot of confusion and mixed messages about whether they should or should not get it up to very recently so a lot of them won't have had it or will only be getting dose 1 now.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,400 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Is it seriously being claimed that teachers are looking to avoid vaccination and as a result be given paid time off?

    Surely not even the teacher unions would be brazen enough to do that?



  • Registered Users Posts: 672 ✭✭✭TTLF
    save the trouble and jazz it up


    Final update for those who have followed my Journey.


    I have gotten into my first choice in UCD and I'm very happy. I received over what I needed for my course (until the points rose 9 billion %) but was thankfully 3 points off and got in with DARE.


    I am now happily going to be attending college in 3 weeks time. :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Well done. Delighted you got your 1st choice and best of luck in UCD.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,052 ✭✭✭appledrop


    We are now at 1,200 schools have at least one case + 12,000 students are out of school due to being a close contact.

    No need to worry though because according to Irish Times, they are looking at changing the idea of a close contact in the case of schools, so if you are an unvaccinated child and classed as a close contact ah sure you will be grand and allowed go to school unless you have symptoms.

    That's one way to get school numbers down, just pretend cases don't exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,586 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    At this stage everyone is going to catch covid one way or another. Covid is here forever.


    Kids are fine if they catch it, probably best to leave it be.


    Unless you think it's a good idea to send kids home for 14 days if they are a close contact forever???

    It's not practical.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    98.7% of all schools age children attending as normal. Happy days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    As community cases fall so will those in the schools.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭harr


    No confirmed case in my sons class yet 12 out sick because they have symptoms .. every year both my sons when they go back to school because of mixing again with other kids get a cold . So even the slightest sniffle now and school insists on doing a test no wonder the tests centres are over run .. I just can’t see why antigen tests aren’t used in this situation.



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