Rugby Championship 2021 Thread

Buddy Bubs · 05-09-2021 8:26am

You'll see more red cards now I believe if this new system stays in. I think rugby has gone a little bit over cautious but of all the red cards for a lack of duty of care that one was clear enough in my opinion.

20 mins in the bin then a sub on is a good move in my opinion, too many games ruined after 10 or 20 mins with a man sent off

theVersatile · 05-09-2021 10:08am

That's 100% a red, so reckless and no need for it.

Yeah_Right · 05-09-2021 10:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117848770#Comment_117848770

That's a ridiculous statement. It was a natural movement but it was dangerous contact to the head so an understandable red. It was the perfect example of why 20 minutes for a red is a good thing. Being a man down for the rest of the match for that would have been an injustice.

Clegg · 05-09-2021 10:47am

Don't have an issue with the red card decision. We've seen similar over the last 18 months being given as reds. I don't see why he's so surprised about it tbh.

05-09-2021 11:20am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117848869#Comment_117848869

It's an extremely fine line. Had it been boot to shoulder and not to face, and Jordie was upended, it could have been a red the other way. He was never looking to compete for the ball.

Yeah_Right · 05-09-2021 11:45am

Really enjoying watching Akira this season. It's been a breakout season for him and he seems to be finally realising the potential that everyone could see was there. He's been around for a few years now but appears to have matured and could make the 6 jersey his own for a good years. He's only 26.

ersatz · 05-09-2021 10:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117848973#Comment_117848973

No, Koroibete had stalled and timed his tackle perfectly. Barrett's foot would have been on the ground on impact if he hadn't shoed him in the head. There is nothing controversial about that card and Barrett should be looking at a ban, he could have blinded him.

Digifriendly · 06-09-2021 7:31am

Match showed large gulf that still exists between NZ and Australia. NZ have far more strength in depth and without 3 of their front liners still won comfortably. Dave Rennie has his work cut out. NZ vs S. Africa fixtures will probably decide the tournament.

irelandrover · 06-09-2021 7:43am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117848537#Comment_117848537

He didn't look off balance to me. He had his knee up and then stuck out his foot which made contact with the face. Players don't normally jump foot out like that so its not like a natural jumping position.

It probably wasn't on purpose but he put out his foot to keep a player at distance and hit him in the face.

stephen_n · 06-09-2021 9:47am

There is no question at all about that red. It was a secondary movement by Barrett to bring his foot up. He wasn’t falling backwards and it wasn’t a natural movement. I can understand the instinct but it was a red all day long.

Eoinbmw · 06-09-2021 9:58am

No one jumps with and out stretched leg and foot that high I'd even go as far as to say he meant to kick him in the face!

He was only surprise because its the All Blacks and they usually get away with stuff like that!

06-09-2021 11:32am

Judging by the comments here, the entire All Black's team should have been red carded 😂

Jordie was absolutely off balance, and leaning back while twisting, and to outstretch a leg is a natural movement to balance yourself.

Anyway, it's just one of those freak things which you couldn't repeat again if you tried.

irelandrover · 06-09-2021 12:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117852865#Comment_117852865

This still shows him a lot more straight and also karate kicking someone in the face. It's almost like stills don't show the full thing.

Yeah_Right · 06-09-2021 12:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117852414#Comment_117852414

That old tired line. The ABx don't get away with stuff more than other teams. That was the third red against Australia in the last couple of years.

No doubt you will now post a list of AB infringements that you think should have been red cards.

06-09-2021 12:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117853031#Comment_117853031

I'm not sure whether you're being serious or not. My still was only to show that he was leaning back. Of course he's more upright in your still, because he put his leg out to help regain his balance 🙄

awec · 06-09-2021 12:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117852414#Comment_117852414

Players jump like that all the time tbh, and it was only a matter of time before something like this happened.

It wasn't intentional, that flailing leg is a by-product of going for a high ball and misjudging the flight, but it has to be a red because contact to the face with the boot is very dangerous.

irelandrover · 06-09-2021 12:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117853182#Comment_117853182

I wasn't being fully serious. I just don't think stills show anything.

It's a clear red to me. Barrett jumped to catch a ball, raised his foot and went studs first into another players face. Its reckless and there wasn't any mitigation.

sydthebeat · 06-09-2021 1:40pm

its a red

but a good example of why the 20 min red is a good rule (though i know the majority are against it)

its caused by poor technique that anything maliciously dangerous.

molloyjh · 06-09-2021 1:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117853199#Comment_117853199

I didn't see the Barrett incident, but it sounds like a carbon copy of Hastings on Kelleher in the Leinster-Glasgow game last season. Hastings saw red for that too.

Yeah_Right · 06-09-2021 7:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117853536#Comment_117853536

It was very similar.

As Syd said, it was poor technique and accidental so the 20 minutes down to 14 was a fair result. The Wallabies still couldn't score any points during that time 🤣

swiwi_ · 08-09-2021 5:32am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117851477#Comment_117851477

So.... The judiciary has rescinded the red card and it has been expunged from Barrett's record. This leaves 2 options for interpretation I suppose

1) The "All Blacks control world rugby" take. This is the option that appeals to the uninformed, unintelligent bigoted masses. Doesn't require any insight, just ingrained prejudice and a chip on the shoulder. Available to anyone.

2) The "I was wrong" take. Requires self-awareness, intelligence and the ability to read (the judiciary's findings for example). The road less-travelled.

thomond2006 · 08-09-2021 8:30am

sydthebeat · 08-09-2021 8:31am

20 min red cards are a great idea !! :D

Podge_irl · 08-09-2021 8:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117861630#Comment_117861630

Secret option number 3 - Sanzaar judiciary panel is a joke.

“The accidental nature of the incident lead the judicial committee to find that there was no intentional nor reckless act of dangerous play, with the result that the red card is expunged from the player’s record.”

Something can be both accidental and reckless. World Rugby may as well give up pretending it actually cares about player welfare.

sydthebeat · 08-09-2021 8:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117861830#Comment_117861830

"intentional nor reckless" does not mean they have to be both.

it can be either intentional or reckless, similarly it can be accidental and reckless and still warrant a sanction.

in this case they determined it was neither intentional nor reckless.

Podge_irl · 08-09-2021 8:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117861869#Comment_117861869

I am aware. Their stated logic is that because it was accidental they found it not to be reckless. Which is terrible logic.

If you can't catch a ball without shoving your studs out at head height near someone's head, then don't catch the ball. That is the behaviour that needs changing.

Podge_irl · 08-09-2021 8:55am

Also, this from McLeod is utter horseshit

McLeod pointed out that Koroibete encroached into Barrett's landing space before he hit the ground. "We believe we do have a defence. There's some mitigating circumstances from our side so we'll put forward a case," McLeod said. "He won the space in the air so in previous cases the person who has done that everyone else has to look after that person underneath or be aware of that. That would be one. I'm not on that committee and I'm not presenting the case but in my opinion that's what I reckon."

Koroibete clearly stopped dead precisely so as not to encroach on Barrett in the air and got a kick in the face for his efforts.

awec · 08-09-2021 9:08am

I am surprised to be honest.

Is intent now a factor? It is hard to keep up with this stuff.

bennyl10 · 08-09-2021 9:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117861954#Comment_117861954

If intent is now a factor, this could set a seriously dangerous precedent.

foul play is foul play. a red card, as clear as this, is a red card.

how many high or in the air shots have real “intent”? It doesn’t change that they are red cards!

this is a baffling decision.

sydthebeat · 08-09-2021 10:01am

"intent" has always been a factor in red cards. "either intentional or reckless"

go and read any judiciary report of a striking red card, intent is always part of the charge.

for "reckless" red cards however intent does not have to be a factor, thus you can have accidental, but reckless, red cards.

in this case they are saying it was neither intentional nor reckless.

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