Kilkenny GAA Thread

I presume it must of being his own young lads match?According to gaa website Glenmore defeated the village last Saturday in u13.Terrible carry on if true and unfortunately there can be horrible things shouted in from the line at most matches and unfortunately this goes on in alot of sports.Its a very poor example to be setting for young lads particularly.I hope this is resolved because anyone genuine doesn't want to see this going on.

Didn’t happen and wasn’t his lad. Kid fell over - too many adults on sideline from both sides and he more or less fell into a man who tried to protect the falling kid, definitely didn’t trip him or knee him. Excitable adults - on both sides eventually cooled down. Comer were a couple of goals up at the time and village a bit upset. They were favs to win it out. People should really get their facts right before they "hazard a guess" as to what happened.

Couldn't agree more.

I would definitely agree with your last sentiment and to be honest Cody's influence is already suffocating and all encompassing. The difference in some players I've heard about recently when well treated, supported and respected by their club management teams have been transformative compared to how their treated with the various county setups. These young players came back from county setups and looked like pale shadows of the players the club knew when they sent them in. It took a lot of work but the 5 players I've heard about (from just talking to lads from 3 different clubs) is staggering. These guys went from being very good county prospects to being some of the clubs worst players but with understanding and patient management teams these guys have been built back up. I would fear for what we're doing to good prospective players with poor quality coaching and overly aggressive management in our county setup. What if good players come back from these setups and meet lads just as ignorant in their clubs that could be a very good playing career ruined before it starts. This is always a fear in any era but it should be a club that doesn't have the coaches or bad management that messes a player up, not the county setup doing most of the damage.

I'll concede that Lyng actually didn't do much to improve the style of play our young lads used for the last two years. I'd still give him a full year uninterrupted by Covid to see can he get them playing a smarter brand of hurling. I find it staggering looking at the games over the last few months/weeks at minor and senior level the variety and adaptability of our players to play different systems, yet at all levels of the county setup we're playing like it was 1974. It's worrying to see the contrast so clearly, if it's so obvious to a hurling dolt like me how come the county board and our various management teams can't ask these guys to do the same things. As you said and the first point I referenced Cody has an iron grip on Kilkenny hurlings throat and he ain't letting go. Hopefully it still has some life in it whenever he finally does let go. Anyone who says we don't have the players and haven't produced the players to contest an All Ireland evidently don't watch club hurling in the county because the dogs in the street can tell you we have the players when their used right and given a good gameplan they can work with. Not just Codys team talks which from what I've heard include all the clichés you'd get if you asked a lad off the street to give a team talk "fight hard" "win your own ball" "great spirit" etc.

Great I'm glad to hear it and I hope he gets on great. I'm more referring to minor and above maybe lads will say they need to toughen up but I don't think we can be affording to throw any young talented players by the wayside. If their not prepared to do the work then thats a different story, but if lads are working hard then let them hurl. One of the lads I'm talking about is hugely talented and hearlded a by lots inside and outside his club but his confidence has crashed over the last while mainly because of treatment in county setups (not development squads) but he's bouncing back great for his club with patience and good coaching. From what I've heard I'm optimistic about what might happen in our development squads in the next while, the issue is when you go the next step up the coaching and management currently don't seem to be on the same page.

Agree 100%. Along with both those lads, I would include Sean Morrissey who seemed to lose all confidence when he went in to train with the county and set him back a couple of years. Not all players respond to "tough love" and need encouragement, feedback and the feeling that management have confidence in them

The longer Cody stays the longer this circus goes on. Why would Liam Blanchfield make himself available to Cody after his antics v Cork in the semi final. Cody whipped off 3 players who barely struck a ball in the match and brought them back on before Blanchfield. You would not see it in under 15 club championship tonight.

His relationship or lack of with DJ is well documented. His treatment or Richie Hogan, Colin Fennelly walking away. Comerford and Mcgarry ready to walk away over what ever happened at full time/ extra time of All Ireland Semi Final. The Ballyhale contingent making it clear to everyone that Shefflin is light years ahead of Cody when it comes to management.

Cody has created a circus and his end cant come soon enough

Over the last few years I’d always have been very reluctant to look for Cody to go and to be too critical of him. This was partly out of loyalty and respect for everything he has achieved for Kilkenny hurling and the great times we’ve had as supporters over this period. Also I didn’t believe there was anyone out there who I’d be confident would do a better job.

Over the years whenever Kilkenny have lost big games I’d have always been disappointed but would have thought we’d given it out best shot and just lost to a better team. However over the last couple of years the disappointment over a loss has been replaced by a bit of anger because it’s plain to everyone here and everyone watching us play that we aren’t getting the best from our players and not playing in a way that best suits our resources! Now all of that of course isn’t all the managers fault and the players have to take a good bit of criticism also.

I think thing now when we look at the team and Cody’s management of the team is that the main question is are we improving or are there signs of progress and since 2019 when we beat Limerick I don’t think we’ve progressed enough or shown enough signs that we’re making progress. Unfortunately for the good of Kilkenny hurling and for Cody’s own legacy I think now is the time to step aside and let a new face, whoever that may be, bring a bit of freshness to things.

I would have been a loyal supporter of Brian Cody up to 3 years ago. Hurling has changed in recent years and he appears not to want to change his ways. He has tried a few things but he doesn't seem convinced and would rather hang in there in the hope that past hurling will somehow come back. His treatment of players been subbed isn't acceptable any longer. They need encouragement, not admonishment, if they are to play with confidence.

Everybody knew the way Cork would play in the semi, yet we didn't seem to come with a plan to counteract Cork. We appear devoid of a game plan, a plan which might bring the best out of the players and have them play with confidence.

We all heard rumours of Gorta and McGarry leaving the set up. I wished they did as it would send out a clear message. But I believe they're staying on, which means Cody is. Our County Board will be happy if that's the case as a new manager would have to move with the times, recruit the best backroom team, which in turn would cost money. For every year that passes serious damage is being done and we'll only fall further behind.

I'd Cody was going he'd have announced it by now. What a pity, as his legacy is being clouded the longer he stays.

Is there nobody on the county board, not just officers, who would cry halt?

I had been going to county board meeting for a number of years as our club delegate and the main problem in the county board is that we have a chairman and secretary who sit at the top table and conduct the meeting but the real (Ned Quinn, Pat Henderson) people who actually run the county board sit down the back. When club delegates ask legitimate questions or criticise something that’s being done the chairman with try’s to nave away from the subject it looks down the back hoping one Quinn or Henderson will say something and appease the person asking the question!

The current officers in the county board are never going to make a move against Cody, and I think the more people rally against him the more entrenched in his position he will become. I honestly can’t see him voluntarily stepping aside anytime soon.

The county board in general needs a big freshen up! It’s the same faces in there year in year out moving jobs when there term comes to an end! There needs to be an injection of new blood, bring fresh ideas and people who are more clued into what’s happening at ground level in clubs.

Contacted the county board about the issue with the supporters pass in Freshford and they said

"Due to Covid all County Board passes are suspended at the moment"

I asked what had covid to do with paying or using a pass and the reason given was

"Clubs have had no income for the past 18 months"

So they screw the pensioners! Many of whom would have supported the GAA during previous hard times as volunteers etc.

Doubt Jesus and Buddha have their foundation level course done. Whilst I think Cody should step away there's been a bit of a pile on the last couple of days that may be a bit much. Regardless of whether he stays or goes we need a high level coach in there and I don't think there is one good enough in Kilkenny which would mean going outside the county which would be seen as blasphemy. Plus I doubt the CB would pay for it.

It's also not exclusively about winning All Irelands. It's about performing to the maximum of your potential/ability and we're clearly not doing that.

Not having the players IS a cop out as posted above. The County Board don't want change as it will cost them and they're too used to doing the same thing for the last twenty years. Don't ask them to think outside the box such as fund raising to pay for a proper backroom team. Kilkenny hurling badly needs change. We are static in every way and we're not giving the players a decent environment in which to perform to their optimum. A new manager might not do any better than the present one but at least let us try by appointing a manager with vision.

I understand your point but I tend to disagree.. you could have a fantastic minor team that win all round them without having any potential senior players on it.. I'd personally rather see a team with 2 or 3 stand out players that have the potential to go on to play senior.. even looking at some of the very successful galway minor teams.. they seem to me to be full of monsters of men that are fairly agricultural hurlers that wont train on...

Plenty lads are happy to be minor county hurlers too and have no desire to progress further.. as it is a huge commitment ..more lads travel etc..