Hogging a chargepoint

GreeBo · 02-07-2019 6:19pm

knipex wrote: »

Oh you were being serious !!

These

wow, those are cool.
Imagine having a way of bringing energy with you on your travels!

Hopefully they invent something similar for electric vehicles.
maybe there would be room under the car somewhere? We can only dream i guess

GreeBo · 02-07-2019 6:22pm

kanuseeme wrote: »

Why buy a diesel car?

My 42km of EV driving is the very same as 10% of a Niro's 420 km at 50% of the price and none of the draw backs.

50% of the price? Please explain further... unless you are talking about purchase price and ignoring running costs for some reason?

kanuseeme · 02-07-2019 6:27pm

My mistake, I am sorry

My train of thought was wrong there, comparing new niro with 2nd hand outlander

creedp · 02-07-2019 6:38pm

Marty Xavier wrote: »

That's a well known person in Ennis, who owns a long established drapery. Plugs it in and leaves it parked for the day. He's some character alright.

Why wouldn't he as there is no disadvantage to himself and lets be honest the majority of people who buy EVs do so solely to gain a personal advantage and not save the planet.

Again you assume its penny pinching, any time I rapid charged, I had time to spare, usually its getting tea on the way to Dublin, or in Waterford other half is shopping, ( I have no interest following her).

Anyone who plugs into a public charger and sits there sucking out the last electron of juice so as to say a few cent on their home electric bill can only be described as a penny pincher. Because of that it can be guaranteed they will no longer hog a public charger when it is less expensive to charge at home.

knipex · 02-07-2019 6:44pm

GreeBo wrote: »

wow, those are cool.
Imagine having a way of bringing energy with you on your travels!

Hopefully they invent something similar for electric vehicles.
maybe there would be room under the car somewhere? We can only dream i guess

Ya, fill the boot with extra swapable batteries. or strap then to the side of the car..

read the post I was replying to.

kanuseeme · 02-07-2019 6:51pm

creedp wrote: »

Why wouldn't he as there is no disadvantage to himself and lets be honest the majority of people who buy EVs do so solely to gain a personal advantage and not save the planet.

Anyone who plugs into a public charger and sits there sucking out the last electron of juice so as to say a few cent on their home electric bill can only be described as a penny pincher. Because of that it can be guaranteed they will no longer hog a public charger when it is less expensive to charge at home.

I would agree, but some will pay to save the planet, just as some pay more for processed veg in a burger shape.

Still ignoring the fact of egocentric users, who did not get there before the other egocentric user.

I would pay 10 euro for a charge just to see some people blow up with rage.

unkel · 02-07-2019 8:22pm

GreeBo wrote: »

wow, those are cool.
Imagine having a way of bringing energy with you on your travels!

Hopefully they invent something similar for electric vehicles.
maybe there would be room under the car somewhere? We can only dream i guess

Nope. Already there. Build a small battery pack with 18650 cells from dead laptop batteries and bring a decent quality 1.5kW inverter. Thinking of doing that myself if I can do it cheaply enough.

creedp · 03-07-2019 12:55am

kanuseeme wrote: »

I would agree, but some will pay to save the planet, just as some pay more for processed veg in a burger shape.

Still ignoring the fact of egocentric users, who did not get there before the other egocentric user.

I would pay 10 euro for a charge just to see some people blow up with rage.

I still don't understand your point because if charges are introduced for public charging then charging at home with night rate electricity will both save money and be environmentally friendly as a significant proportion of night time electricity is generated by wind. As for the quality issue electricity is not like washed diesel so paying more does not ensure a higher quality of electricity.

As for the egocentric issue I've obviously misinterpreted the point being made here as anyone who deliberately wastes money and achieves no gain simply to frustrate someone else to my mind is just being petty and vindictive. Going back to the shopping analogy it would be like someone unnecessarily filling a trolley and waiting for some poor sod to come along with a couple of items before jumping in ahead of them in the queue simply to delay them ... surely no rational and psychologically healthy person would act in this manner? ... Obviously I must be missing the point?

ELM327 · 03-07-2019 8:40am

kanuseeme wrote: »

The food in the house would last longer (petrol in my tank)

Again you assume its penny pinching, any time I rapid charged, I had time to spare, usually its getting tea on the way to Dublin, or in Waterford other half is shopping, ( I have no interest following her).

Bitching will become more common, because any chance of some one being let off will be gone when fee's come in, and more people will switch to EV, you may get a really nice M3P, standard range MX or a used MS P85D/P90D but most will not spend that kind of money, so you will be looking at a leaf or an ioniq charging, an ioniq by the way charges at the same speed at 75% full as my outlander is at when its 30%.

Hogging is in the imagination of the egocentric.

Lets break this down.

Why buy an electric car? save the planet, save money, do both? complain when you cannot do both? bitch about people who do?

Why buy a phev? save the planet save money, do both when using electricity? not depend on rapid charging, cheaper than a really nice M3P, standard range MX or a used MS P85D/P90D.

Why buy a diesel car?

My 42km of EV driving is the very same as 10% of a Niro's 420 km

That's interesting. I didn't know an Outlander could charge at 69.9kW on a 70kW charger or 50kW on a 50kW charger?

Ioniq peak charge rate is 70kW at 78% SOC. Still pulling above 22kW (Outlander's theoretical max) until 85%-88% depending on weather and battery temp. Of course, I was corrected by outlander owners here when I claimed it could charge at 22kW and was told the max was 17kW. In that case the Ioniq doesn't drop below that until 91-92% SOC and ends the charge at 94%.

Moral of the story for you is.... don't debate statistics, numbers, kW or percentages with a high functioning aspie like myself.

unkel · 03-07-2019 9:31am

I saw an Outlander charge at a Tesla supercharger at well over 150kW. Tried my Ioniq, but couldn't get a connection.

kanuseeme · 03-07-2019 11:04am

Every one is correct,

I made a few mistakes,

KCross wrote: »

I was basing it off Bjorn's test. Started at 61kW @ 12% SoC.
It was upto 80% SoC in 20mins and had tapered to 50kW.
Down to 22kW @ 85% SoC.

its 22 kw @ 85% ,

Yes its pretty vindictive also to do that, and I would probably not put my money where my mouth is. I like my money.

Still will not stop the bitching,

Silent Running · 03-07-2019 2:56pm

kanuseeme wrote: »

Still will not stop the bitching,

I'm sure you could, if you try really hard.

ELM327 · 03-07-2019 3:11pm

Silent Running wrote: »

I'm sure you could, if you try really hard.

Considering he has a magic outlander that can charge at 22kW, he could do anything. Except stop being a pest. :cool::cool:

kanuseeme · 03-07-2019 4:16pm

Silent Running wrote: »

I'm sure you could, if you try really hard.

Good one, made me laugh.

Have you moved house yet? Elm?

kanuseeme · 03-07-2019 4:19pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Considering he has a magic outlander that can charge at 22kW, he could do anything. Except stop being a pest. :cool::cool:

I rapid charged on the way to Rosslare at the weekend, and strangely it charged at 10.5 kwh. you said 22 kw before and any of the other 4 rapid chargers that I used with the exception of the 10.5 kw, all charged at 17 kw.

Silent Running · 03-07-2019 4:27pm

kanuseeme wrote: »

I rapid charged on the way to Rosslare at the weekend, and strangely it charged at 10.5 kwh. you said 22 kw before and any of the other 4 rapid chargers that I used with the exception of the 10.5 kw, all charged at 17 kw.

Which rapid was charging slowly?

ELM327 · 03-07-2019 4:44pm

kanuseeme wrote: »

I rapid charged on the way to Rosslare at the weekend, and strangely it charged at 10.5 kwh. you said 22 kw before and any of the other 4 rapid chargers that I used with the exception of the 10.5 kw, all charged at 17 kw.

kW. Not kw or kWh.

17kW is pathetic anyway. 16amp 3 phase AC would get nearly that!

And still, 17kW is not hit by an Ioniq like you claimed at 75% SOC, more like 90+

ELM327 · 03-07-2019 4:45pm

kanuseeme wrote: »

Good one, made me laugh.

Have you moved house yet? Elm?

No. How would I have in the one day since I stated last that I hadnt

Do you live in a magical world of fast charging outlanders and one day conveyancing?:rolleyes:

kanuseeme · 03-07-2019 5:19pm

Silent Running wrote: »

Which rapid was charging slowly?

Amber/Centra service station, Rosslare road, Killinick, Wexford.

Is it a common occurrence, to have individual chargers charging at different rates?

Used it only 2 times and presumed it was battery temp or some other unknown.

I mentioned it, to keep Elm from having a mercury rising incident, he could have seen an outlander charging at 22

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Infernal Racket · 03-07-2019 5:23pm

liam7831 wrote: »

Oh dear dunno why anyone would torture themselves with one of these before any proper infrastructure is built.

My thoughts exactly. Takes me about 2 mins to fill my car to the gills with Diesel. Electric cars can fro

Silent Running · 03-07-2019 5:23pm

kanuseeme wrote: »

Amber/Centra service station, Rosslare road, Killinick, Wexford.

Is it a common occurrence, to have individual chargers charging at different rates?

Used it only 2 times and presumed it was battery temp or some other unknown.

I mentioned it, to keep Elm from having a mercury rising incident, he could have seen an outlander charging at 22 ,

There are 2 rapids on that road, a couple of kms apart. The one closer to Wexford has been the more reliable of the 2. Although they are both new, the Killinick one has suffered from out of contact issues, which seem to have been resolved lately.

kanuseeme · 03-07-2019 5:34pm

ELM327 wrote: »

kW. Not kw or kWh.

17kW is pathetic anyway. 16amp 3 phase AC would get nearly that!

And still, 17kW is not hit by an Ioniq like you claimed at 75% SOC, more like 90+

Suits me for now, I changed from diesel 4 years ago, 1 year in a honda insight, little on the cheap plastic side, then a lexus ct much nicer inside and slightly better mpg, to an outlander better quality plastics from the 90's.

No way would I go back to a Diesel.

Made a mistake on 17 kw @ 75% SOC it should have been 85% SOC , was quoting some one else from memory, and using your 22 kw figure for the outlander at 85% SOC, would translate into hogging by some standards here.

I again apologise for the 17 kw @ 75% SOC mistake, but I have not got your head for figures, suppose I am just a normal pest.

creedp · 03-07-2019 6:15pm

ELM327 wrote: »

kW. Not kw or kWh.

17kW is pathetic anyway. 16amp 3 phase AC would get nearly that!

And still, 17kW is not hit by an Ioniq like you claimed at 75% SOC, more like 90+

It might be pathetic but its better than my L30. I rapid charged this morning and intermittently checked the rate of charge on Leafspy. At 70% SOC it was charging at 40KW, at 75% - 31KW, at 80% - 21KW, at 85% - 13KW!!, at 90% - 7KW!!

I realise I will be called out for hogging but I want to make clear no EV driver was harmed during this research project!!!

kanuseeme · 03-07-2019 7:19pm

creedp wrote: »

It might be pathetic but its better than my L30. I rapid charged this morning and intermittently checked the rate of charge on Leafspy. At 70% SOC it was charging at 40KW, at 75% - 31KW, at 80% - 21KW, at 85% - 13KW!!, at 90% - 7KW!!

I realise I will be called out for hogging but I want to make clear no EV driver was harmed during this research project!!!

Its only going to get worse, any one know the number of new/ 2nd hand imports registered in this country?

Even when chargers are delivering 350 KW you will have slower charging cars sucking away and model 3 or model S owners complaining they have to wait.

liamog · 03-07-2019 7:56pm

It's pretty easily addressed, have a range of chargers available all charging different per minute rates.

Norways market works that way.

unkel · 03-07-2019 7:57pm

creedp wrote: »

It might be pathetic but its better than my L30. I rapid charged this morning and intermittently checked the rate of charge on Leafspy. At 70% SOC it was charging at 40KW, at 75% - 31KW, at 80% - 21KW, at 85% - 13KW!!, at 90% - 7KW!!

Really not too bad as long as you don't charge over about 75%

I believe L30 is better than any other Leaf (L24, L40, L62)?

n97 mini · 03-07-2019 10:30pm

unkel wrote: »

Really not too bad as long as you don't charge over about 75%

I believe L30 is better than any other Leaf (L24, L40, L62)?

24 was poor. We'd get 45kw for a couple of minutes, then 32 and then it'd taper off down to as low as I was willing to wait for.

The only time I got a good pull was when the ambient temperature was in the mid to high 20s, which was very rare.

ELM327 · 04-07-2019 8:32am

unkel wrote: »

Really not too bad as long as you don't charge over about 75%

I believe L30 is better than any other Leaf (L24, L40, L62)?

Yup

creedp wrote: »

It might be pathetic but its better than my L30. I rapid charged this morning and intermittently checked the rate of charge on Leafspy. At 70% SOC it was charging at 40KW, at 75% - 31KW, at 80% - 21KW, at 85% - 13KW!!, at 90% - 7KW!!

I realise I will be called out for hogging but I want to make clear no EV driver was harmed during this research project!!!

lol that is better than my L24 when I had it. I saw single digits at 78% SOC sometimes.

slave1 · 04-07-2019 10:06am

creedp wrote: »

It might be pathetic but its better than my L30. I rapid charged this morning and intermittently checked the rate of charge on Leafspy. At 70% SOC it was charging at 40KW, at 75% - 31KW, at 80% - 21KW, at 85% - 13KW!!, at 90% - 7KW!!

I realise I will be called out for hogging but I want to make clear no EV driver was harmed during this research project!!!

..and the L30 battery pack is amazingly rock solid with regard to degradation, so there's a reason for that software throttling

kanuseeme · 04-07-2019 10:35am

LOL hoggers > Single digits

Stealthirl · 19-07-2019 1:14am

ELM327 wrote: »

lol that is better than my L24 when I had it. I saw single digits at 78% SOC sometimes.

Cold battery ? i did nearly 600km last Sun/Mon in my L24 and i was still pulling 7kw @ 93% when i charged at Coynes Cross on the way home.

Was held up on the way down at Gorey for almost an hour as it was busy. An L40 just left and a L24/30 was just ahead of me. While i was waiting for the DC a Zoe pulled in followed by an eGolf had a chat with both owners. I charge for 28min and then let the golf in. As i was leaving an L40 turned up and plugged into the AC :rolleyes:

I only came across 1 other hogger and that was in the aforementioned charger in Wexford, a kona was there 30+min so i went to the Amber one for a 30min charge and the Kona was still on charge on my way back. Noticed a lot of BEVs in Wexford actually. I used fast chargers 4 times and 3 non ESB SCP [ESB ones were kaput]

ELM327 · 19-07-2019 8:33am

Stealthirl wrote: »

Cold battery ? i did nearly 600km last Sun/Mon in my L24 and i was still pulling 7kw @ 93% when i charged at Coynes Cross on the way home.

Was held up on the way down at Gorey for almost an hour as it was busy. An L40 just left and a L24/30 was just ahead of me. While i was waiting for the DC a Zoe pulled in followed by an eGolf had a chat with both owners. I charge for 28min and then let the golf in. As i was leaving an L40 turned up and plugged into the AC :rolleyes:

I only came across 1 other hogger and that was in the aforementioned charger in Wexford, a kona was there 30+min so i went to the Amber one for a 30min charge and the Kona was still on charge on my way back. Noticed a lot of BEVs in Wexford actually. I used fast chargers 4 times and 3 non ESB SCP [ESB ones were kaput]

Cold ambient temperature.
Conversely I did a long trip in summer and was getting really fast speeds (and rising temps right above the red bar)

PS: I know that route well, I'm up and down from meath via dublin to enniscorthy/ferns a few times a quarter. Used to be a pain in the L24 but the Ioniq could make it without charging in summer.

Kramer · 09-08-2019 8:56pm

tedpan · 09-08-2019 9:10pm

Kramer wrote: »

? It's charging

DrPhilG · 09-08-2019 9:13pm

It's also probably only drawing a trickle on a charger that the Zoe could get a fast charge on.

Plus depending on whether that charger allows AC+DC charging simultaneously or not, it could be taking the 2 50kw chargers out of use while it draws 5kw.

So whilst it's allowed, it's likely a piss poor use of the resource.

The rapid charger in Derry suffered a similar issue for a while. An idiot in a Zoe used to ditch the car on the AC connection and sod off for 4+ hours. Although the charger is supposed to allow dual charging, it usually wouldn't. Meaning CCS and Chademo were out of action for hours at a time, 4 times a week.

Kramer · 09-08-2019 9:16pm

tedpan wrote: »

? It's charging

It sure was

.

tedpan · 09-08-2019 9:21pm

DrPhilG wrote:

So whilst it's allowed, it's likely a piss poor use of the resource.

I agree with you there and think Phevs shouldn't be allowed to use the fast chargers at all. But at least there's a spot for a Leaf etc. It looks to be the same as the blanch charger, so technically someone could be on the chademo.

unkel · 09-08-2019 10:14pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

Plus depending on whether that charger allows AC+DC charging simultaneously or not

It does.

tedpan wrote: »

I agree with you there and think Phevs shouldn't be allowed to use the fast chargers at all.

Impossible to police. And charging etiquette hasn't really been working since about the start of last year. The only solution here is charging for charging (and of course a better network)

09-08-2019 11:01pm

tedpan wrote: »

I agree with you there and think Phevs shouldn't be allowed to use the fast chargers at all. But at least there's a spot for a Leaf etc. It looks to be the same as the blanch charger, so technically someone could be on the chademo.

All PHEV, do you include the i3 rex in that ?

tedpan · 09-08-2019 11:33pm

Deleted User wrote:

All PHEV, do you include the i3 rex in that ?

It was only my view as I've often had to wait on PHEVs on longer journeys..

If you want I can include your i3 Rex on my list of banned in my head list of cars not allowed to charge at fast charge points.

10-08-2019 12:05am

tedpan wrote: »

It was only my view as I've often had to wait on PHEVs on longer journeys..

If you want I can include your i3 Rex on my list of banned in my head list of cars not allowed to charge at fast charge points.

Fair play for saying it, but my opinion would say that a PHEV with 3 Kw charging and tiny battery is a different story to PHEV with much larger battery and 50 KW charging...... which is faster than Gen 1 Leaf !!!

NBar · 14-08-2019 7:03pm

Kramer wrote: »

Fair play he's availing of a free charge like everyone else can't see a thing wrong

unkel · 14-08-2019 8:13pm

Free charging really is the only thing that is wrong there.

Kramer · 09-09-2021 10:59am

This was a great thread back in the day. But is it still a thing?

Hogging, not ICE'ing. Hogging by fellow BEV/PHEV drivers.

I've come cross it a few times recently (DC chargers) & there was a discussion about people using destination charge points at hotels here recently too, although I don't consider that hogging myself.

Have you seen much hogging? Is it still a problem given the proliferance of DC chargers these days (😝).

DrPhilG · 09-09-2021 11:03am

In ROI, pretty rare I'd say.

In NI, combined with the piss poor network it's driving back to diesel at an increasing rate.

Kramer · 09-09-2021 11:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117867024#Comment_117867024

Yeah, I have to agree. The last time we took the EV to Belfast it was pretty dire. I'll take our PHEV instead next time (& we've taken our Model 3 SR+ to the Algarve & back, so not afraid of long journeys in an EV!).

The Tesla SuC in Belfast will help some anyway.

slave1 · 09-09-2021 12:34pm

It is, I come across EV's waiting for a Rapid in the EV spot and blocking my use of AC (I can charge at 23kW so worth my while)

kippy · 09-09-2021 12:39pm

This thread and the posts in it are the main reason (as well as financial being fully honest about it) a fully electric car is about 3-5 years away for my own house hold - despite a second hand one making sense on so many levels.

The increase in the number of EV's around has been great - no doubt but there doesn't appear to have been a similiar increase in the number of publicilly accessible chargepoints (in the locality I am familiar with)

What I have seen is the existing points getting very busy and people needed to queue for them on occassion. Not ideal in many circumstances.

Unfortunately the way I have seen people behave of late in general - there are a hell of a lot more ignorand people out there which wont help with issues outlined here.

the_amazing_raisin · 09-09-2021 12:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117867005#Comment_117867005

Not exactly hogging but I've seen a fair few phevs using the AC on DC chargers

It tends to be mercedes and BMW ones which need a good 3-4 hours to charge

I just don't get the logic behind it, surely living off a granny cable is easier. Maybe a top up during lunch, but I would think that AC chargers are generally in nicer locations to eat a sandwich

Gumbo · 09-09-2021 11:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117867477#Comment_117867477

can you charge at home?

public charging is nothing like it used to be. I’ve never seen a que at any charger in Dublin

Hogging a chargepoint

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