Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

lol. I give up on this kip. Just let everyone drive f*cking everywhere and let the motor lobby influence everything until it's one big gridlocked mess, it seems to be what the people want.

Wish I had your optimism but the odds of the current government bringing in any sort of legislation or regulation in regards to planning permission seems like something that will never happen, and they'll just continue to plod along with the current system of allowing everyone and their dog to object to stuff regardless of their reasoning and drag it out for years to the point that the costs keep running and the project gets scrapped.

Deansgrange Road trial deferred:

I can't see much changing locally by January, but obviously Mr Burns didn't want to push it too far and be hamstrung by a Sec 140 with otherwise inevitable defeat in the Courts due to the Strand Road precedent. He played a bit of chicken and lost badly there.

In any case, it's good to see common sense prevail for the time being.

Maintaining economic links and two-way bus routes locally and for the wider district following a period of unprecedented challenge to local businesses and community life.

That greater good. That common sense.

Your so-called bullshit arguments are also called local democracy.

If you stopped dismissing and demonising people who are seeing proposals for their local communities that will turn them upside down and started engaging with them, maybe you'd see more progress.

We can probably all agree, however, that it's past time to put these active travel and larger scale cycling schemes on a statutory footing and demand a higher standard for the planning, design and consultation on them. The Strand Road appeal has no basis for success, in my opinion, so Eamon Ryan's time would be far better spent addressing the consequences of the original judgement legislatively, now, than hosting love-ins with unelected officials seeking higher office about flippin' cargo bikes.

And as soon as people stop electing them, you'll have it all your own way I'm sure.

I don't think you get it at all. Party politics is local democracy. People saying no are just as entitled to representation as people saying yes. And that's exactly my point about these consultations, cycling advocacy groups putting out social media calls for people from anywhere to make submissions on these local issues, it simply has no credibility. The Councillors and the Council officials have sat down with people locally and what they are seeing and hearing in person does not reflect the outcome of online consultations, because the latter are bogus. That's what brought about what happened tonight and its why these things need a statutory foundation.

The "Local support" should be only one consideration in these schemes, given the much wider impact on active travel and the greater good. Deansgrange is the commuting route to the City Centre from North Wicklow, the area's around it such as Cabinteely/ Foxrock/ Cornelscourt/ Loughlinstown. It's completely ridiculous they have a veto on these schemes.

I'm local and there's plenty of support for it, particularly among people like me who commute by bike and have kids who would use the route. Not dismissing many reasonable people who have legitimate concerns about access and traffic displacement. But the key word people are missing here is 'Trial'.

If the Trial doesn't work the world then DLRCOCO can look at other ideas. This is being framed as a piece of permanent infra by the naysayers.

As Cllr Shay Brennan (Fianna Fáil) said: “Further consultation is a cop-out. We can have much more info in 6 months if we began the live trial now! We must get more serious about this, we need a solid, safe and direct cycling network. The alternative is an unusable network of local compromises and further car-clogged roads.”

Yours is a false comparison, but it happens all time. Hence we have CPO's for road schemes, rail, (hopefully) bus connects.

I didn't say "no say", I said they should have "no veto", which is what some residents seem to have achieved here and on Strand Road.

I submitted on my county development plan, I've submitted on the N11 "upgrades", I submitted on various infrastructure proposals that have gone to Public Consultation that would impact on me. I don't expect my view to rank any higher than anyone elses, but the opposite also holds true. Residents view should be a consideration, but only one consideration (even assuming unanimity amongst locals, which there clearly isn't in Deansgrange or Strand Road).

Through traffic isn't prevented on Convent Road, it uses Lees Lane to circulate back to Patrick Street.

I thought the guy who proposed the plan might know this.