What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

I think most people understand the referendum. I’m not sure you do. It stopped someone getting off the plane to have a child and gain Irish citizenship for the child, but clearly didn’t stop people living here getting naturalisation after a while, nor stop the children of naturalised citizens giving citizenship to their children. That wasn’t asked. The referendum didn’t give those rights either, they were always there, so maybe brush up on the text.

lol.

The Danes are really leading the way and showing up everyone else, great to see. All done with a left wing government, will wonders never cease 😀 Imagine if Ireland followed suit, wishful thinking I know.

Also the UK home secretary secured legal advice to redirect vessels stopped in the English Channel back to the continent. About time as well, the French need to sort out their immigration system

The constant abuses of our immigration laws and lack of willingness to implement deportations throughout Europe is farcical.

A genuine question, can any Labour or Sinn Fein supporter or anyone who wants to go back to the way it was explain the reason for their support?

I honestly can't fathom why someone should be allowed fly into Ireland, have a child within a few weeks and then for them and their child to be called Irish citizens. All I can think of is that they have decided we are all humans and borders should be scrapped or something??

Some seem to have the view that any sense of empathy, social awareness or moral duty is borne out of an inherent lack of self-esteem. And therefore making it easy to ignore the interest, enthusiasm or benefit many see in having a rich and shared cultural experience which, of course, has been derided here as being inconsequential and dismissed out of hand.

Except, it hasn't been dismissed out of hand. It's just been criticised as being wanting. This has been done to death, and yet, you're dismissing what has been said, out of hand. The results of immigration, and multiculturalism in all western nations has led to division, inequalities, and ultimately social unrest. You want to focus on the positives... fine. However, don't dismiss the concerns of others just because they don't want Ireland to turn out as badly as other nations... many of whom are wealthier, and still unable to resolve the problems that comes with such diverse cultures.

Wherever they has been more than a single person in a community there has been cases of division, inequality and social unrest.

Actually, that's not true. In fact, small numbers of different cultures are very capable of working together in harmony. Funny.. I'm arguing your own argument for you. Alas, the counter is just as obvious and factual, (oh, and yes, I know you've just dismissed what I wrote with a flippant response)

The benefits are far greater and wide reaching when you ultimately look at the planet and how it has evolved as people learn they have more in common than what separates them.

The planet is irrelevant. Narrow your scope to nations.

I have not painted multiculturalism as being seamless, or without issues at any point, but while you ask me not to dismiss the concerns of others, I can equally ask others to look at the reality of the way the societies around the world are evolving. Absolutely there is conflict with integration, but there is conflict without it also and in worst cases which ultimately can and has led to military conflict which has done much more damage to countries and the societies involved historically.

You're not doing your argument any favors with the above. Just because there is conflict without multiculturalism, we should ignore the negatives of multiculturalism? The lack of integration and assimilation, in the modern sense, has resulted in serious problems for all European nations. Surely you can see that?

So it's better to dumb down the issues, and the concerns?

I've spent time in the M.East and have Muslim friends living in the west. The issue is not with Muslims, in themselves. The issue is the incompatibility of their beliefs with that of western culture. Small numbers of Muslims in a community tend to behave very well, and not cause problems. However, when numbers rise, there tends to be a change in behavior and expectations for how they should live, and the behavior of those around them.

France is a good example of this... where in the South, the Muslim population was initially (decades) spread out, and dispersed. However, in the last 2 decades, France has seen significant numbers of Muslims arriving and taking residence in various suburbs, where they have forced their own culture and acceptable social norms (dress, behavior, etc) on the native population. This has gotten to the point where French women are barred from entering cafes because it goes against the Moroccan Islamic culture.

And that's the primary concern. Islam is a religion that controls the society of Muslims, which is fine when it relates to just Muslims, but in a western nation, their religion will seek to extend control over non-Muslims. It's all part of the Quran, and the subsequent teachings of various thinkers in the Muslim world. The duty to extend the power and influence of Islam over non-believers.

So, you would bring in migrants permanently to cater to seasonal work? What would they be doing for the remainder of the year... Also, do you really think such seasonal work would be enough to live in Ireland? Even single it would be difficult.. what about supporting a family?

i think it is disingenuous to dismiss the concept of some seekers being facilitating in being allowed to work, as they want to do, if there isn't a comprehensive plan that works in all and every case.

I didn't dismiss it. I wrote a long response, and... where are your opinions on how to avoid these problems?

Lol. Why? Because it fits your narrative?

No, because discussing the planet leads nowhere. Just as your last few posts have led nowhere. You seem to want to deal with extremely vague ideas completely removed from the reality of the situation at hand.

Why would Romanians be looking for asylum?