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Why do people back into car park spaces.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    One of my pet hates are car parks deliberately laid out to encourage the habit of people driving straight forward into parking slots. It panders to a dangerous habit. The other thing that furls my brow is someone reversing out in front of me in a carpark or on street parking and they haven't a fecking clue what's behind, they just back out blindly and hope you'll stop for them.

    On the plus side it often amuses me to reverse into a parking space and then on coming back later, see several adjacent cars likewise parked thus. People are like sheep in that way, they'll copy what other drivers have done.

    If I had my way, I'd slap a hefty fine and penalty points on lazy parkers who insist on reversing back into the traffic flow!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    a ding is mathematically more probable if reversing in. as you have two points with limited distance between them, which must be negotiated while operating with reduced visibility, and an optical distortion (items in mirror may be closer than they appear).

    whereas when reversing out those two points (bumpers of cars on either side) become increasingly irrelevant. and can initially be largely left out of the equation until you have a wider selection of potential arcs to follow (less limited). also the two points can be seen directly without distortion on entry, and from a closer proximity during the entry.

    the so called 'danger' some associate with reversing can be reduced by simply taking your time. (and if you're reversing in you'll most definitely be taking up this same time).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    Why don't you focus on the thing that you have control of, your car, rather than the parked cars either side that aren't moving.

    The rear wheels following the front wheels simply can't follow as tight an arc as steerable front wheels following the back wheels, so unless the driver is completely incompetent, reversing in will always get you into a tighter space than turning nose into either a perpendicular or parallel space. With herringbone, nose in always.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,556 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    You shouldn't be dinging things while parking, either forwards or in reverse 🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    If the space is so tight that reversing in makes the difference then you're only going to get your doors dinged by your neighbor. Probably not the best choice. Find another space, unless its a serious last resort.

    Somewhere out there in insurance land is a record of all the parking dings and I'll bet my middle ball its composed mostly of reversing numpties who misjudged the length of their car.

    The reason going straight in is perceived as easier by every human on the planet without a single exception is because the information is clearer (direct vision, obstacle closer proximity to driver) and clear information makes for better decisions. Coming out is always going to be a breeze, no real repositioning unlike when entering with reverse - which costs time. Just do it reasonably slowly, usually just the opposite of how you got in. More time efficient, less probability of a minor bump.

    You see the struggle so often with people reversing in. back back back, they stop, they go for it, oh ... no, try again, the sound of the gears grinding, up a bit, oh now the front with swing out too much, forward and over a bit, back back back, brake lights, forward. And you're sitting there thinking 'will this gobshyte just'. Just roll in. Stop the misery.



  • Registered Users Posts: 412 ✭✭ghoulfinger


    In my experience many people are indeed rubbish drivers when it comes to reverse parking. In fact many seem asleep at the wheel.

    On one note, I would be interested to know how many commenters here are actual drivers rather than left-seat ones who tend to block our view as you try to turn right onto a road. I'm an experienced driver, I held a pilot's license, I flew helicopters under supervision, I have a powerboat cert. All that, I can assert there is a small challenge in reversing into a space unappreciated by those without a genuine clue. My current car is fairly high tech with a reversing camera and sensors which make fairly light work of the task. The same tech assists in reversing out of a space. Things are being enhanced, but be careful out there. Nothing in manoeuvring any vehicle is a breeze.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    jaysus thats a very good point. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️


    🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    My current and last workplaces actually require reverse parking in the name of safety, for me I would only do it occasionally otherwise. Wrapping the world in cotton wool should be discouraged.

    In the US it's the complete opposite and often places will have signs banning backing in. Nose in only, in the name of keeping the traffic moving as it takes longer to reverse in than out, and possibly also to avoid claims from people reversing into poles, trees, shopping trolleys and the like.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It definitely isn't always easier - driving in can be the easier option (and more practical later for loading bags in the boot). Depending on the space, the reversing manoeuvre into a parking space can be as obstructive and risky as the one leaving a space. Assuming someone is a bad driver because they drive into a space? Usual dishonest hysteria. Course ye do! 😆

    But I still usually reverse in, as it's just so handy to be able to drive out.



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I would suggest that I have a higher level of driving then most here, and reversing into a parking spot, is the most correct and safest



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    You're looking at parking in isolation from exiting the space there


     the information is clearer (direct vision, obstacle closer proximity to driver) 


    You drive past the space, get a good view in make sure its empty and add a lot of confidence to the limited view you'll have in the mirrors and reversing camera, swing your front wheels away from the space, reverse in with a single movement with the most precise control possible in a typical car. When you need to leave, you have the best view possible to safely exit.


    Compated to being completely unsighted as to whats in the space, a shopping trolley, a moped, etc... as you come around the car on the near side of the space already half way in, who the **** left that there, **** moron, etc, etc.... Even if you make it in in one swing, there's no way you're straight unless the space and/or the road/aisle are huge so you're reversing back out into a zone thats in control of oncoming traffic, a space that you would have been in control of if you had reversed in. Rinse and repeat for leaving the space, the amount of uncertainty that develops in a large open space, with passing traffic, in the time it takes to get into the car, start the engine, select reverse and start to move off vs when you have an opportunity to have a full check of the space you're going to move into, quick flick into reverse and bobs your teapot.

    All that said, if I'm parking all day on a cold winters day, I'll try to park facing south west or west as the risk of a frosted windscreen on return is minimised.



  • Registered Users Posts: 412 ✭✭ghoulfinger


    I do it myself many times, other times, it doesn't quite suit the situation. Driving well over 30 years here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    Exactly, "wrapping the world in cotton wool" is the perfect term. More nonsense from bullshtters in hi-viz vests.

    The two person lifting of an empty box in manual handling comes to mind. Look around, is the area clear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 412 ✭✭ghoulfinger


    In my experience over about the past 8 months, it's been nothing short of a miracle at times for drivers in front of me to proceed through a newly changed green light, and for a red to signal "come right on". I opened a thread about this before.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Multi story car park, parking spaces to your right. One free - in between two occupied. That's the spot you pick. You have to drive on a few feet, reverse, then complete a two-point turn. It's definitely worth it for when you leave, but how is that reversing manoeuvre so significantly safer than the one out of a parking space?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    Reversing in, you're in control of the space and reversing into a space without traffic. Reversing out, oncoming traffic is in control of the space you want to move into.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,563 ✭✭✭John.G


    A little off topic but how many people actually use this method when reversing into a spot between two cars, even your car length + say 4 ft enables it to be done in two manoeuvres, reverse in and pull up. I see dozens of people positioning their car properly but neglecting to turn the steering wheel before reversing in, they then drive off and leave a nice spot for me.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    In part the reversal for a space is into oncoming traffic also though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,563 ✭✭✭John.G


    Its definitely easier IMO to drive into a parking space as you are sitting in the front looking through a windscreen, I sometimes drive in and sometimes reverse in but always reverse into my driveway as its on a pretty busy road.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    its easier and quicker to escape in whatever bs emergencies business plan on happening at their premises and hence a lot of companies mandate it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603



    If theres a shopping trolley in the space then in either case you've got the same choices - move it or pass up the spot.

    If theres some irregular/strange object you won't be able to tell what it is properly in a rear view - might just be an empty plastic bag you can just drive over, but in the rear view its too uncertain.

    As you prepare the convoluted process of getting in position to begin your reverse turn other motorists will often tire of your rigmarole and pass in the space alongside you. Thats not control. Not a problem when you roll straight in. Then there are pedestrians, between the car spaces, returning to cars, opening the doors, kids hopping out. They weren't in your rearview 2 seconds ago, but they are now unbeknown to you. Not a problem when you're looking right at them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭DBK1


    Has to be a wind up.

    I refuse to believe there are people out there stupid enough to think that reversing out of a space is safer and easier than reversing in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭Timmyr


    I live in NZ and it is not the law, I dont know where you heard that. Next to nobody here reverses into a park

    Part 2 is correct, it is illegal to park against the flow of traffic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,517 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    I can understand it outside a jewellers, I can't understand it at a supermarket where they have to return to their car with a trolley to load goods in to the boot by smashing their trolley against every surrounding car in the process.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Happily, these places are quite rare around my parts of tthe US. It's been a couple of years since I've seen the last one. It's also to be noted that although the US does have the occasional sensible and civilised traffic law like turning on red, this is also a country which puts stop signs instead of yields on a lot of the roundabouts. (I think in one state, priority goes to the traffic coming onto the roundabout, which makes no sense to me at all).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,530 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    I think the question has been well and truly answered, only the remedial pupils failing to grasp the concept (or feigning stupidity).

    Time to move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    To be fair, the vast majority of the time when I park, it's either shopping and I need to put things into the boot, or working and I need to take things out of the boot. It just makes more sense to drive in in those cases.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    The convoluted process? 🤣

    How long does parking take you? At worst you might 'hold up' someone for 5 seconds.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    I believe the police are trained to do it when parking as they can get out of a space quicker and safer if they are called urgently.



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  • Subscribers Posts: 41,863 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    The sign of a grade A fcuking idiot is the person who reverses into a 45 degree parking space in one directional traffic flow.

    Not only do they have to manoeuvre 135 degrees to park, but the have to do the same to pull out.

    Their stupidity is legion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,750 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Some Dorks treat driving in car parks especially on the way out.like road driving.

    Flying along at 50 kph.

    Safer to drive out with those tools about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,317 ✭✭✭Speedsie
    ¡arriba, arriba! ¡andale, andale!


    That's absolutely the way to parallel park.

    Parallel park: reverse in.

    Chevron park: drive in

    Perpendicular park: reverse by preference, but driving in is ok



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Genuinely interested (assuming you are not taking the piss) but how long does it take you?



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Hannah Enough Radium


    I drive into a space 95% of the time. I very seldom reverse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,147 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    How often are you going to be in a situation where the only available space is an extremely tight spot between two cars that would necessitate the perceptible difference of having the steerable front wheels following the back wheels?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    So you've never been in a busy carpark, that would explain a lot about your understanding of the reasons why reversing out of a space is riskier than reversing in.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They think driving into a space is easier than reversing into one - I doubt they think it's safer and easier to reverse out of one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    You cannot reverse in within 5 seconds.

    Minimum 10 seconds, and thats impressive if youve ever done it, which you havent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    Because the car park space cannot back into the car.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭DBK1


    If you look back through the comments that's what some of them are saying. So therefore it has to be a wind up, there can't be people that stupid among us, I refuse to believe it!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    When I saw the thread I was thinking wtf too but there are variables - can depend on the situation.

    There are quite a few people doing the superiority thing and pretending reversing into a space is the only acceptable option, and also pretending that it's always easy and quick and non obstructive (queue of people behind you in a multi story car park when you have to nose forward for enough berth to reverse into a space would disagree, even though they just have to suck it up - but that delay is no different to the delay caused by reversing out of a space).

    For bags of shopping and buggies it's more practical to drive in also - it means ease of loading up the boot later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,147 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    There is a superiority thing there alright. A similar thread popped up not so long ago where someone described reversing in as bit of an "alpha move". Most people I see in shopping centres drive in front ways. It just makes more sense when you need to load the boot.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    I think often reversing in is just an extension of our everyday collective neurosis in which we have learned through 1000 daily tasks that the inconvenient way is always the right way. And that anything convenient must necessarily be reckless. People now fear the easy, and counter it with an approach of mild OCD in everything. Dont think just do everything the awkward way, that way youre safe.

    So yeah, reversing in for some people is just another version of washing your hands an even number of times or locking the door twice before leaving. This is the awkward way so I must be safe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,556 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    That's an outstandingly convoluted way of justifying your (ridiculous) position.

    You reverse in because it's safer to drive out. It's that simple.

    99% of the time, whatever way you go into a 90° parking space, you'll exit it in the opposite manner, and driving out of a parking space is multiples safer than reversing out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,821 ✭✭✭Hooked


    Reversing ALL DAY!

    It's far safer to reverse into a space (only another car or wall to be watching) than it is to reverse out onto a road/busy car park lane/etc...

    And IMO it's far easier too! The steering is at the front, so surely 'backing in' is physically a simpler operation. You could literally be at a 90 degree angle to a car/space - and get her in, with a full lock.

    I drive a VW transporter van now... and even with no rear glass, and no reversing camera - I still back in to spaces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    reversing in is required by some companies; i worked for a turbine company that serviced the oil and gas industry and reversing in was the rule no matter in which country we worked. same applies here. The airline I work for insists on reverse in, unless parallel parking is available. Works well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 891 ✭✭✭Gussie Scrotch


    Yes, statistically, a high number of collisions result from reversing out of parking spaces. Hence advanced driving instructors teach delegates to always reverse in/drive out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    Theres that insecurity again. Safer, safer, im safe, im safe.

    How much safer are you really? This is two high viz condoms at once territory. No real margin, just back out slowly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,556 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    It's not about me being safe (well, it is as well), it's about the pedestrian/cyclist/child/buggy/car that is moving along the road that you're reversing out on to, effectively blind, until you get two thirds or more of your car out onto said road.

    Can you really not comprehend that?

    I despair sometimes, I really do.


    ETA I need to keep reminding myself that this really has to be a wind-up!



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