Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

So the "good" of society trumps the rights of the individual, and people should be coerced or forced to act for the good of society?. Thats actually not a new concept at all. Funnily enough the last times it was tried were also by leaders and parties with socialist leanings. And in one of the most recent examples in Germany the rise to power was also accompanied by a type of reverse racism, where the most successful and highly educated people in that society were vilified by the party coming into power and subsequently by the people, and their successes were written off as being the result of privilege and bending the system to benefit themselves.

Another tactic was to send people to colleges and anywhere else opposing voices were being heard to disrupt (deplatform) as much as possible the voices of dissent.

But its probably nothing to worry about, this has worked out so well all the last times it was tried.

This vaccine program was developed by the right. Operation warp speed was a Trump administration program, it's hardly accurate to call the right anti vaccine, they just also support the freedom to take it or not.

I'm don't think its hyperbolic, it's not just about vaccines, its an overall pattern, thats very similar to how the National Socialists came to power.

What are you talking about.

What about the vaccine programs in Germany, France, Ireland, Canada etc etc. Are they all being led by the right? Is it the same right as in the US, or different rights?

You honestly think that every country in the world, including the 'socialist' countries in the EU, have come together to dupe the citizens across the world by using scientists to firstly develop a disease and then develop a vaccine after laying waste to their economies, ramping up spending and, in the case of Trump in particular, costing them electorally?

And part of the plan was to get Biden in as POTUS because Trump simply wasn't right enough for them?

Since we have vaccines for Polio, TB etc, do you also think these are part of the same plan, or just failed attempts from which they decided to have another go?

Come on man!

You are giving out about something that has been done by every administration in the US in recent memory and claiming it as exceptional? How are vaccine mandates drifting towards socialism (noting we can go back to Washington on them)?

Also again with the nazis are socialist nonsense. I guess we can also say that democracy is a massive failure because of the democratic republic of korea? It wasn't that socialist policies were done wrong in the past. It was that they weren't done at all.

Yeah he is just trying to shift the focus onto Covid after the disastrous mismanagement of the withdrawal from Afghanistan and tanking approval ratings. One disaster to another for Biden.

Withdrawal was a success. It's over now and in the past, so would people focus on that?

I dont think this will have the intended effect. Hospitals are already in dire straits with lack of staff, wait until thousands of people are fired. Many unions are already against vaccine mandates, including federal workers like the USPS, so wait until mass strikes. A third of truck drivers surveyed said they would let their company fire them, and another 16% said they would quit if vaccines were mandated so wait until the supply chain breaks. You can't just say good riddance, these are the people who keep the country running . It's a mess.

And it's possible to be pro vaccine and anti mandate btw. Many people are. America really is heading towards civil war and collapse. I didn't think so before, but now I do. So much for bidens promise to heal a divided nation, he's making it worse. People are baying for blood at this stage, there's no way there will be a peaceful resolution to all this.

Aren't they leaving currently?

Yes, it was a success.

He's not making it worse, he is providing leadership. Those that refuse to do the patriotic thing and help both the country and their fellow citizens need to be held to account.

Are people really going to go on strike, get fired, live on nothing, just to avoid a vaccine?

Strikes only work if the entire workforce (per factory for example) take part. They won't get half the rest of the workers to support them.

Of course things will break down, but people are not going to blame Biden for people being selfish.

The vaccines don't stop the spread. Even the most vaccinated countries and states are still seeing large outbreaks. It's an airborne respiratory virus. Pinning all the blame on "the other" is human nature but it's wrong. It IS making it worse. The president of the United States should not be going on TV saying "our patience is wearing thin" with "them". What is that if not stoking division and on the other side, making people dig their heels in even more. They arent just going to run out and get the shot, they will get more entrenched in their position. It's not good leadership sorry. I can't see any other way than for things to escalate into violence and unrest, it's gone too far imo. I'm worried what winter will bring.

Do you think vaccines have zero positive impact?

If yes, then science completely disagrees with you.

If you think they make some positive impact then isn't it the responsible thing to do to get it?

Making it worse? Calling out people for failing to do what their country needs is not making it worse. And they aren't refusing because of any reason, he'll even Trump got the vaccine. It isn't because it isn't safe. It purely because they are being selfish and somehow thing their right to be an arse trumps everyone else's safety.

But thats fine, if that is the way you think people should behave. The logical extension is that anyone can do anything they want, for no other reason they just want it.

But you say it poor leadership. What should he do? These people won't listen to science, POTUS, experts, doctors, even Trump.

So what should he do. He tried to ask them, tried explanation, tried giving them time.

A fact check

Another fk up.