Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

If renting ground and entitlements are leased with it would be risky enough also

Yeah got just over 10k extra litres per month Nearly sure that was around what i applied for but had went up 30 cows this year so wouldv had to cut back numbers if i hadnt got those extra litres … on a seperate note on the talks of clover here would now be a good time to try oversow clover? Its on zerograzing ground so would like to keep nitrogen up but i suppose id want to lessen it for the clover to take off? Or just wait for spring maybe?

I'd be spitting fire in that case tbh. Dairygold afaik are expecting as many to step back / retire as expand and surveys have been accurate enough.

Only putting this out there …..do lads think there could of been a bit of favouritism involved or back handlers involved re these allocations ….not saying or claiming it’s true but just from reading few posts here re the allocations …some are happy some are not and one or two seemed to have genuine cases and left very disappointed …

glanbia didn’t decide who got what, PWC did

feel sorry for guys that had genuine need for extra litres and didn’t get near what they wanted

Knew that ……but ……again just an observation maby nothing Jn it

Who is Pwc?

Price Waterhouse Coopers one of the "big 4" accounting firms in Ireland

Follow up article by brennan in journal stating that 16 million litres of additional peak milk was applied for and 5 million allocated, so less then 33% of milk sought by lads was available, their some pack of c**ts for telling lies with their original press release where they fiddled the numbers to suit their own agenda

Sure who knows how long it will go on for with planning up in limbo. Could they not be looking at other options for processing the milk than waiting on this one?

Better bet would be to make lads allocated milk litres into a tradeable asset, when you see the uptake of the retirement scheme, and with incoming nitrates regulations if say 30 cent a litre was on the table for lads to quit you'd free up a lot of milk

Good idea and would probably work a treat.

Production of milk becoming regulated and assetized once again…sense of déjà vu anyone?

Not necessarily logical Jay.

Level off the supply and make some products that are marketable/competitive to markets outside of the Sahel. It would/should add value that in theory should reflect on returns to producers.

Easy to organize it also…withhold say 5cpl from all milk supplied at peak, and return the 5c to off-peak supplies.

Ah hang on now Jay

Glanbia wouldn’t even pay for winter milk or increase lads contracts

we were winter suppliers and leaving it is hands down the best thing we ever did, there’s actually a break in the work load for the year

id milk less cows over going back to it

on the nitrates bands, Europe pushed the dept for different bands

it’s how it is all over Europe

teagasc simply did the banding

higher yielding cows require more feed which means they consume more N

I don't know about higher yielding cows excreting more nitrogen. I've cows doing between 6000 and 9000 litres and they're all eating the same. These small cows are in no way more efficient when you look at the bigger picture in my opinion. Each of them need a cubicle space now (not like before), extra shed space, extra calves (can't forget them), extra calvings, extra culls, extra vaccines, extra tags, extra tb testing, extra methane, extra slurry storage, extra headaches, extra labour. Less cows - more milk is the obvious solution to alot of problems.

By choosing the current model they’re nailing themselves down to continue manufacturing the same bottom of the barrel commodity crap. That’s very shortsighted indeed. Going forward, with all the restrictions coming down the line, the CoP will inevitably increase. The Coop will guard their margins at all cost. That’s all very fine, but if/when margins get too tight due to restrictions and input/cost inflation, where do you go? Planning forward, for say ten yrs time, needs to be done now. Getting planning for new plants can take years…my crowd just opened a soft cheese plant that took 11yrs to get through planning. Originally the build cost was estimated at €50mill, but after 11yrs, the cost ended up at €80mill.

They’re going around now trying to persuade farmers to switch to organic because they don’t have enough milk to make the plant economically viable. At 59cpl, organic looks quite attractive. They’ll even give guaranteed price, index linked, contracts for 15yrs…

You reckon a 5000 l cow eats the same DM as a 10 or 12k litre cow?

if guys want more bands they should ask for it but it’s only going to leave guys that have high yielding cows with higher N figures

Not Glanbia supplier so dosnt affect me yet but I fully expect similar in Arrabawn sooner rather tvdn later ….yes I’d have no issue doing it and am actively considering it ….have things fairly well fine tuned and yard set up fairly good but the spring workload is relentless snd I dread to think what would happen if I had crypto etc at some stage in spring ….I can get relief Milker’s from may on ….I have been able to get help in spring so far. But don’t have scale to offer anything substantial or long term ….calving 15 or so cows September October wouldn’t overly concern me ….just need calves snd gone by December

Lads ye seem to be forgetting that for the products that are returning the higher margins, butters, cheese etc its the grass fed aspect that sells it. There isn't much kerrygold made when the cows go in. Yes there are issues with processing efficiency of spring based systems, but anyone willing to milk fresh calvers thru the winter without a correct bonus payment would want to redo the figures. This is some one coming from a history of winter milk and the work load and feed involved.

Calving twice a year even if facilities are good also increases disease risk among calves due to the shorter timeframe between use of calving sheds and having different age groups of youngstock on farm, along with extra breeding, cows bulling inside etc. Not a mind if tb comes to fcuk the show. If the processors want winter milk, let them come up with a way of selling it at a price which will cover the cost of it on the farmers side.

Aware of that, but would you be doing without your liquid contract? Find spring calving better myself. 5.6c from dairygold was the bonus on the volume allowed, not worth it for me with added costs involved

I said no such thing. 12k is nearly two and a half time 5 you know. Alot of the reason guys aren't getting over the 6300 litres has to do with their calving date and compactness of same.