Will you take an approved COVID-19 vaccine?

Take 100 people, 90 vaccinated, 10 not vaccinated

• 5 vaccinated go to hospital for Covid
• 5 unvaccinated go to hospital for Covid
• Hospitalisation is 50/50 vaccinated vs unvaccinated
• However 5 out of 90 vaccinated were hospitalised = 5.5%
• 5 out 10 unvaccinated were hospitalised = 50%
• So unvaccinated 9 times more likely to go to hospital (in this made up example)
• Reports from the US seem to be saying that unvaccinated are actually nearer to 50 times more likely to go to hospital.

This made up example is just so you might try to understand what is happening. In reality it's more complicated, as Covid risk is age related, so you need to do your calculations by comparing vaccinated vs unvaccinated in all different age groups. It's when they do this that the big difference in outcomes becomes clear for each age group.

We'd need a lot of details to work out the real picture, including ages.

Here is another made up example to show you how the 50/50 can't be simply interpreted

• Say the hospitalisation rate is 50/50 vaccinated vs unvaccinated
• Say most of the vaccinated are in their 80
• Say most of the unvaccinated are 20 - 40 age group

This might look like a 50/50 split, but due to the way that Covid risk is age related it could be made up as follows (taking 100 people as an example)

• 50 older people (80+yr olds) in hospital, with 45 vaccinated / 5 unvaccinated
• 50 younger people (20-40 yr olds) in hospital, with 5 vaccinated / 45 unvaccinated
• You have equal numbers of vaccinated vs unvaccinated, so 50/50 split
• It's understandable that more old people will be in hospital, due to severity of Covid increasing with age
• But it's the much larger proportion of unvaccinated younger people in hospital that shows the vaccines are working to keep vaccinated younger people out of hospital.
• This interpretation would not be possible from a simple look at the 50/50 split

The thing is, like when they were saying it was 20:80, I still believe that in the 50:50 they are classifying people who they do not know to be vaccinated as unvaccinated. That's why there seems to be a change in language with the 50:50. They are saying 50% are vaccinated. Amongst the other 50% there are probably some vaccinated (but haven't been surveyed) and some not. Maybe it's 50% vaccinated, 30% not vaccinated, 20% unknown.

I just don't think they should be playing games with this. And they most definitely need be releasing the ages of cases and deaths again. Why do they feel they need to hide this from us? They have a record of publishing stats that suit the message. The trust is out the window. If there's no trust, the conspiracies grow.

If 90% are vaccinated and half the people in hospital come from the 10% then that is 9 to 1, which is pretty much the same as in the US. The precise ratio will depend on people's ages.

Thank you for posting that. I was incorrect. Media have stopped reporting these figures for some reason.

Commenting on the OP. No I won't take the vaccine, and your Title of the post is wrong, they are not approved!! "Only for emergency use only" How could they be possibly approved going down the right scientific channels in 6 months?

They are also fully approved in the US now.

They have a forum, and an audience of equally enlightened.

Isn't the interweb great.