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Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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  • Registered Users Posts: 86,447 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I didn't know Mikey D did that, again wrong too using his position, why not write just as a ordinary fan



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,450 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    That picture of MDH in an open denim shirt at Slane.





  • Registered Users Posts: 19,472 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar



    whatever the boy wrote to KM it was a harmless letter.


    People are human and can have their preferences and likings.

    The rubbish folk are writing about this issue would lead one to believe that they have a lifestyle of Carthusian monks.

    And don’t start about being Taoiseach and all that , the boy is human, has preferences, has likes and dislikes.


    Lot of anger out there, but on this issue, not justified.


    Just grunts trying to big non issues up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Wouldn't certain folks have been better adopting your kind of response to begin with and just try and normalise it bren, instead of trying to piss down necks and claim it was raining with the "personal life" comments?

    Would have saved a lot confusion and incorrect inference.

    Harmless (like this letter) or possible criminality (like the confidential documents he leaked) though, if he does these things with his Taoiseach/Tánaiste hat on, he's subject to criticism and discussion.

    I would say it's futile trying to close it down. Not going to happen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 86,447 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    The Kylie thingwas mentioned and some people decided to try use Varadkar's sexuality to claim homophobia. That's what happened. Some people can't get over Mr. Varadkar being a gay man as they raise it at every turn.

    He used his position as a representative of the Irish people to try get Kylie. It's an abuse of power and makes the country look a bit like arseholes for electing such a gilly, IMO.

    As regards his friend's story coming out about the blackmail, all it does is remind us Varadkar is under criminal investigation. If the idea was to garner some sympathy, I can't see it doing that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    What's curious is why the Indo are reporting on a blackmail allegation from as far back as January, the timing of this story is curious at best and suspicious at worst. I asked quite simply , what was this all about and its timing, perfectly legitimate question's.

    And I 100% these stunts trying to insinuate homophopic tendencies toward posters for daring to question Leo's childish and embarrassing antics relating to a pop singer are just pathetic, similar ludicrous accusations of sexism used on various other Leo related threads ultimately falls flat on their arse and are seen for what they are, stunts, Shallow, Demeaning and deflection tactics.

    This Blackmail story absolutely reminds us a criminal investigation is still underway and I might add is taking an inordinate amount of time.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 5 Brown Sugar


    Spot the difference....


    Leo Varadkar wrote a letter to a pop star, and signed it off as Taoiseach of Ireland, in which he expressed his desire to meet up with her during her upcoming Dublin gig, and was later photographed with her, along with his mates.


    Higgins wrote to Dylan and wished him a happy birthday.


    Very poor attempt at deflection there from the poster Bubbaclaus.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,973 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Sorry for taking so long to get back but it was such a nice day that lunch became a picnic and time flew.

    I was sitting under a tree on this lovely Autumn day ruminating about LV and his letter to KM.

    I have now read all the posts about this matter and I can honestly say that I saw nothing to persuade me that LV has a case to answer over writing to KM.

    An actress turned singer returns to the homeland of some of her ancestors and is reached out to by the Taoiseach, it's a nice story.

    One fly in the ointment was the appalling handwriting but I suppose that's just a medic thing 😀



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    Fair enough. Would you call someone homophobic because they thought it was silly and a misuse of the office? Because that's why it's been going on for the last few days.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Very proud to see you have dedicated your very first post ever on boards.ie to responding to me 😀


    Both letters are complete non events and they were both perfectly entitled to write letters to their musical heroes. Not sure what attempted "deflection" there is here, given there is nothing to deflect from. So it's a bit weird you are suggesting that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,407 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I have seen this posting style somewhere before🤔



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,973 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I'm afraid I haven't been following the last few days.

    When I get a chance I'll review them , two days is it you are referring to?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    I'll save you the trouble.

    Leo went to festival. Said festival was mocked because it was crap music in some peoples opinions. Somebody pointed out that the music at 'The UK's most inclusive festival' was sterotypical.

    Then the homophobia accusations.. When it was suggested that's not homophobic, then it transpired into musical tastes, and Leo used the office for personal bullsh*t, that Leo wrote a letter to Kylie, that was disputed, then it was proven. Then back and forth.

    It seems it's mainly being used as a deflection tactic. Then somebody will pop in to the thread and say some sh*t like "Woah, there's a lot of anger in here" or "That's a racist remark" as they can't backseat mod according to the rules of the site, they will try and fabricate anger or start accusations of racism, homophobia, sexism, misogyny etc.. That doesn't work either, but they believe if they keep repeating it....

    It is also used to try and annoy people into actually being angry, as that too, might get the thread closed down if there are enough of them.

    It's just more deflection tactics mostly, and everyone gets caught up in it (which is their purpose),, but it's keeping the thread alive and relevant, so all good.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,545 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Where is the Michael D thread where his letter to Bob Dylan is discussed ad-nauseam?

    Anywhere?

    Here?


    Nope.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    It sounds like the derived meta arguments have eclipsed the primary substance, which doesn't sound very substantial.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,545 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    The Kylie thing was brought up by the usual crew, laughing at the thought of Leo 'shaking his booty' to Kylie Mingoue.

    It has been discussed and I called people out on their unconscious homophobia. Some posters freely admitted that they thought Leo liking Kylie Minogue was 'funny' and deserved to be laughed at.

    It's there in black and white. I cannot control what other write.


    With Leo, it all seems to be personal. Find me a post of the last few days that talked about policy, you won't. It's all about Leo picking his nose, Leo dancing to Cheryl COle, Leo writing a letter to Kylie, Leo on a government jet, which turned out to be entirely false. Gutter stuff to be honest.

    So again, what is the actual point of this thread these days?



  • Registered Users Posts: 86,447 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    He is still under investigation, he is backing Coveney and his boyfriend posted a letter in a broadsheet tabloid in his defence, it is not all about his music choices and nose picking



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,545 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    So more or less gutter stuff and zero policy discussion.



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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,248 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Posts deleted

    Stick to the topic



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    It's genuinely one of the funniest things I've seen on this site in ages.

    Introduce something completely incomparable with the Leo/Kylie letter,.namely Miggeldy wishing Dylan a happy birthday.

    Claim both are equally normal. (Everyone agrees the Higgins happy birthday one is normal, but some opinions differ on the Varadkar letter)

    Complain about the lack of a thread on miggeldy, even though both sides seem to agree what he did was normal.

    FG arrogance?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    If only Varadkar had known to wait until Kylie's birthday to write her a letter, then it would have been deemed "normal".

    😀



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    If people claimed he was wishing her a happy birthday, asking to meet up, on official state headed paper, signed off as the Taoiseach "in his personal life" that still wouldn't be normal though, and they're still liable to be corrected in here.

    Not to mention the little issue of Leo refusing to release the letters by FOI on several occasions before finally having to have to relent in the end.

    Miggeldy posted his on his website voluntarily.

    You can do better than that bubba, id say you're possibly regretting the miggeldy comparison now lol.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    I am a bit confused why you seem to be directing points at me about "doing better" and "regretting" things, maybe focus on the topic at hand and leave the passive aggressive remarks behind.


    I think to summarise the situation, both individuals wrote letters to their musical heroes. Apparently one is "normal" and the other is not. Its unclear to me as to why anyone would find an issue with either, but then again I am not into that tabloid topic like political debate that doesn't actually mean anything anyway, so I'm ok with 'not getting it'.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,888 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The reference to "boyfriend" rather than "partner" in this post shows clearly the sub-conscious homophobia that is at play. The level of awareness raising and education required around this unconscious homophobia shows the need to highlight this and point it out where it occurs. Not blaming the poster who may not even have been aware of what they were posting.

    The dog-whistle defenders of this stuff are different because they know clearly what they are doing. In particular, those who somehow try to claim Michael D.'s fandom is somehow differentiated from Leo's are the worst of all. Mark described it as gutter stuff, but he is wrong, it is sewer-like.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Yet again, I don't personally have an issue with Leo writing a letter to his hero, Kylie Minogue. The people that did have an issue, and brought it up, were told that it was his own personal business who he wanted to write letters to, and who or what his musical tastes are.

    Not so though, he clearly penned the letter with his "Taoiseach of Ireland" hat on meaning people can comment on it, and can justifiably suggest he used his position to meet his musical idol.

    Leo tried to prevent his letter being published, despite it being subject to FOI (suggesting either he had something to hide, or was embarrassed), whereas miggeldy literally posted his letter on his website voluntarily, and without being prompted.

    The two things are night and day in comparison.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    You've changed your tune, less than 24hrs ago you were trying (and failing) to get some distance between Leo and the letter. Seems like preaching to the converted now blanch. 🤣



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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,888 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    When you are explaining, you are losing.

    Those differences which you cling to like a drowning man are not of substance. It is equally arguable that Leo was keeping his private views private while Michael D. was trying to make a public virtue of his private musical opinions and showing off. I don't care, the difference is not of substance.

    Better if you dropped this crusade. The people who did have an issue, and brought it up, exposed their subconscious homophobia, as has been pointed out. Leo liking Kylie or Michael D. liking Dylan are irrelevant issues.



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