What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Plenty of people in Ireland consider themselves irish, but many posters here are very quick to point out, they are not.

And what do you mean by the ' multicultural crowd' ?

Our nearest neighbour has in the region of a million people who want the UK to become an Islamic state. That would be a fair number of voters, concentrated in areas to become a swing factor in a democracy.

About a 1 in 3 of their younger generation want their fellow muslims murdered if they were to change religion.

2 million believe homosexuality should be illegal.

Absolutely nutty stuff to allow anymore of that to proliferate. For every 3 muslims you let in 1 will want to become part of an islamic state. So a third are 'bad eggs' and 2 out of 3 are so far against homosexuality they want it illegal.

Should this be grounds for a blanket ban? After all it is against the freedoms that western nations are built upon...............

Can you/How do you filter it out? This is clearly the building blocks of disharmony at best, at worst it results in massacres and extremists driving through crowds. Either way it is certainly not the kind of multiculturalism anyone wants, right?

"28% of British Muslims hoped that Britain would one day become an Islamic state"

On religious issues a poll reported that 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds believe if a Muslim converts to another religion they should be punished by death, compared to 19% of 55+ year old Muslims

61% of respondents agreed with the statement that homosexuality is wrong and should be illegal.[167][168][169] This appeared to be borne out by a Gallup poll in 2009 of 500 British Muslims, none of whom believed that homosexuality was morally acceptable

No need to display being a Christian.. just not being Muslim is enough to be a focus for suspicion. Triple that if you're female.

As for real fear... I dunno about that. I've done a variety of Islamic countries, and I never felt any "real fear", except when it came to police/border security. The average person wasn't much of a threat, although I was quick to scamper whenever I saw a mob forming. I've heard quite a few horror stories about people being caught up in protests or such. In the main, I found most Muslims to be quite respectful, and polite, except when there were groups of four or more youngish guys. Then there would be some shifty movements, and various insulting remarks.. still.. once it was known that I wasn't American or British, things tended to settle quickly. Although I should say that I never traveled alone in any of these area... always having a translator or someone local to guide me around.

Try to live with some knowledge and insight into what's at play.

Individually, Muslims are typically wonderful people. The problem is when they form into groups of males, because Islam is a very social religion, where peer pressure has great importance. Nobody wants to be accused of being less than fully religious, and since Islam is both a culture and a religion, that extends into politics too. I don't think most Irish people can truly understand that because the influence of the Roman Catholic Church has been in decline for decades, and even then, in modern times, it rarely exercised much authority as a religious faith. We have our history with a wide range of stories showing the strong influence of the Church, but few Irish people under 70 are likely to understand it, the same way Islam exists for Muslims.

I don't fear Islam or Muslims, but I am wary of both... mainly from personal experience of what I've seen happen in Islamic nations, and what I've seen happen to suburbs in France. France was always the place where my parents took us as children, and we all stayed there extensively as teenagers, and again as adults... and I've seen familiar areas get completely taken over by Muslim migrants, completely changing the atmosphere and dominant culture of the place.

So.. yeah... I would be wary about Islam, and I feel some concern that such changes should happen here in Ireland too. I'd rather that my nieces never had to deal with such things, except should they go abroad to travel. Thankfully, returning from travel, you can put negative experiences behind you, and appreciate how nice your own culture is. That won't be the case if the Muslim population continues to increase at the speed it has so far. So, yeah,... Fear no. Concern, yes.

Can you give example of native cultures being pushed aside or changed to accommodate islamic populations? And you before you do so, I'm interested in real examples where the natives were told to stop what they were doing in order to facilitate newly arrived islamists.

I gave the example in the post itself. In a number of French suburbs this has happened. Do a search on Youtube and you'll find a variety of articles documenting the effects on the natives. My own experiences were around Provence, and Montpellier, in particular.

And you're misrepresenting what I said... because I didn't say that "the natives were told to stop what they were doing in order to facilitate newly arrived islamists".

I see people express concern about losing a native culture but it frequently seems to be something they are only concerned about when something about the new culuture displeases them. Take the Irish language for example, obviously one of the strongest cultural artefacts any country has is their own native language and yet I often see people lament efforts to nuture it Ireland with claims about it being a huge waste of time or money.

Ahh well, in spite of growing up fluent in Irish (my family are from Connemara), I can understand why the Irish language receives so little interest or support from the average Irish person... it simply has so little usefulness in Ireland, unless you want to work in government, and even then, it's usefulness is limited.

I'm not terribly bothered by Irish culture being replaced, because I feel that Irish people have moved away from most of their traditional culture. I'd be more concerned with the loss of values and moral guidelines that are common in our society. In regards to Islam, I'd be concerned with large pockets of Muslims living in areas, and imposing their own culture and the restrictions on behavior on natives living in the same area, or the pushing out of natives from those areas. Again, pointing to France where this has already happened . (which has been posted a few times already in this thread, so I won't be posting links again. Such articles and videos aren't hard to find)

Is there a particular facet of it that you are concerned about losing and do you think anything can be done to strengthen it rather than just wishing nothing else came in to grab peoples attention.

The Irish culture I grew up with is essentially gone. It left with the influx of wealth, the movement of people, and the effect of the internet on cultural spread. I wouldn't be assigning any kind of blame on immigrants for any of that.

Your focus is awry... You seem to be approaching this as if I've never posted these opinions before, but you've been on this thread long enough to have seen my past posts, and where I stand on culture... and immigration.

It's not an argument. It's "a question" that he raised before (a few pages ago), was answered by a variety of posters (myself included) and then.. it fizzled out without any real input from him.

You would need to be living under a rock for quite a long time to not know about the changes going on in places like the UK. Entire towns have changed for the worse, unless you are in favour of the ultra conservative islamic way of life - in which case you should not be welcome in any western country. You should go live in one of the many fantastic locations that offer sharia law.

Why do you hate gay people and why do you hate women? Why do you hate the freedom of the western world?

Why ruin good multiculturalism with the poisonous intolerance?

Just for 'change' ? Because the world always changes? We control that change and it can change for the good , not the worse.