The Killing of Fr Niall Molloy

I would assume that the majority of those present were Flynn family members plus nobody was ever going to admit being present at such an event, it would have destroyed their reputation, you’re not talking about the ordinary joe and Mary up the road but high society who are and were above the law, it’s also a possibility that a swingers party or an orgy was happening

my assumption of those in attendance would have been the local doctor and his wife (different doctor was called for later) possibly the family solicitor and his wife, a high flying politician and his wife, a high ranking member of an Garda Siochana, a member of the judiciary perhaps...

It’s comical that the bishop in mullingar knew about it before the medics!

although he didn’t deserve what happened to him it is worth remembering fr Molloy was one of them, a member of high society until they no longer wanted him and his other master the church abandoned him in the end

There are a group of people said to be in Whites until 2 hours after it closed. On the scenario floated last night many of them around the time the pub closes are in fact back in Kilcoursey. A sudden and violent row breaks out downstairs. That said Fr. Molloy has no defensive wounds so someone sets themselves on him. They do this because of something he says not because of what he did. As strange as many seem to think it was to bring up the debt at the wedding would Fr. Molloy have brought it up in front of 6-8-10 people ? I'm inclined to think no. So one of the Flynn's in front of what is a close family group says something to embarrass him/ try to stop him along lines of ' You'll never guess what Father is going to do.' Another person in that group strikes him due to inebriation. 1 or more of them batter him ferociously.

If Father Molloy is upstairs in the bedroom in light of the decisions being made that night ' he can't have been downstairs' in a larger group who were ' in the pub.' I think of their own volition (or on foot of the first piece of legal advice that was phoned for) they got people out of the house and they created a story as to who was where.

Likely he was unconscious downstairs and they believed him dead or dying such that medical assistance was moot. So he was really battered downstairs. Whether rightly or wrongly I understood him to be punched and kicked downstairs. I understood from last night's episode that he was bleeding in the face from having been kicked and as he was carried in blood was splattered on the upstairs skirting boards and the pooling of blood on the carpet was due to a facial wound from a kick.

If I did not follow that part of the episode correctly- the Flynns and Molloy are in the upstairs room and someone charges in and kicks him in the face ?

It was in the house. It was over money. There was at least a 3rd person involved. Whilst the McGinn report makes the issue re the watch a lot more complicated than the programme last night did for now lets say it was around 1040pm. There was then many, many hours where a plan was formed within the group and/or from outside. The Flynns recognise that Fr. Deighan will call the Bishop, the implications of the 'fight in the bedroom' will be obvious and in as far as they can the church will be somewhat protective of the Flynns' rather than their own priest.

Why would the first doctor who was called to the house lie about being told the fight started downstairs ? Why would be be mistaken ? Who would you believe a doctor or the Flynns ?

I also tend to believe that the Molloy family member who felt Fr. Molloy had been 'clipped' for a few quid more than once before the £12,000 deposit episode is likely correct. We were told last night that the motorfactor company Flynn owned had debts of £20,000-£25,000 in 1983. We've been told the significance of £12,000 in 1985- twice or nearly twice that amount of money 2 years earlier- was a lot of money. The losses continued.

Somehow though the Flynns kept the show on the road until 1991 when Kilcoursey was sold. They must have gone through at least €100,000 in today's money for solicitors and barristers for the trial and inquest. Where did the £100,000 which they did not seem to have in 1985 come from ?

Interestingly in Part 2, JJ Gibbons revealed that Fr Deignan contacted Mullingar (the diocesan hq) immediately. This is hardly surprising on reflection.

However it adds a new twist. There were statements made to suggest that the Flynns immediately started phone communications with their solicitor in Dublin after the assault. The advice on the phone being to clear the house of witnesses.

There is a new possibility that the solicitor who took control of managing the situation was the church's solicitor and not the Flynn family solicitor.

Part of the plan would be that it should be Fr Deignan and not a Flynn to go to the barracks to alert Sgt Forde. The basis being that a man of his standing had a better chance of instigating a cover up. It was a long shot but still worth trying as I've no doubt there have been over successful cover ups down through the year.

It depends how they balance large debt vs. some valuable assets in the means test perhaps.

Someone makes a good point above, by moving the body to the bedroom it meant they would get the church onside and they would immediately look to instigate a cover up... my opinion would be that a solicitor was in attendance or a solicitor was immediately phoned and his advice was to get the body into the bedroom so as there would be a question mark over a lovers tiff and therefore the church would look to cover up and then advised the Flynn’s to clear the place of witnesses and then formulate a plan on how to handle the next steps

It seems to me there is a possibility that multiple people best fr Molloy and therefore their silence was guaranteed because of their involvement and it seems fr Molloy was kicked again upstairs, whilst it looks like his killing wasn’t premeditated it may be a case that the Flynn’s became opportunistic realizing his death solved a lot of their problems

I also still think there was an affair going on between Mrs Flynn and fr Molloy and this annoyed the son David Flynn and therefore he may have struck the fatal blow

alan dukes and bishop Brennan are typical scumbags who have no interest in justice but those types don’t surprise me

I think the reason they brought the body upstairs to the bedroom was to take attention from everybody else who was in the house. This meant that only 3 people knew what happened one of which was dead, a second who was 'unconscious ' and a third who admitted the crime. If RF was covering up for someone downstairs it worked because there didn't seem to be much investigation into who was there.

Let's not mix up high society with celebrity weddings. Also, the high society thing is probably overstated, they were people who came from relative wealth.

Every week people who are wealthy, went to expensive schools and enjoy horses get married. We don't see any photos and I doubt there is any demand to see them.

Also, why would guests start publishing any photos they had? Especially when they could incriminate themselves?