An Post returning packages from outside the EU-See 1st post

I googled EAD Electronic Advance Data, and there are clear warnings on sites like Japan Post, Australia Post, Jersey Post and USPS that items not EAD compliant can be returned to sender. From a list of countries including Ireland. With no information to say that the addressee will be contacted about the procedure. The idea that Ireland is an outlier in the EU or internationally is not borne out by what is being published abroad.

What happens if EAD is not provided?

Items sent without EAD to countries that require it may be delayed in delivery, held by customs or returned to sender.

The US company I ordered from doesn't have a clue about what they need to fill in, they just forwarded me the invoice to give to customs.

Thanks to deezell for finding the info on Irish requirements.

If anyone knows, ( I know An Post does, but they don't do emails!)

"The customs form must be filled out electronically" - Is this the famous CN22/CN23 or something different and what is the rule on deciding which one?

Also is it a template the sender downloads and fills out?

Where do they get the electronic form from?

What email address in An Post / Customs do they send it to?

great to hear, as seems everything post brexit went to **** in terms of ordering from Ireland, costs increased, customs added on top on oeverything, more paperwork. So businesses and end customers incur extra charfes time and delays goverment gets more profit and everyone in between told sure deal with it. mad times when you shop nowadays online and in UK you can still get most items as before, yet half the choice at best if your odering to Ireland, once could say ireland probably did larger exit then uk, not to be political but thats the vibe if dealing with sending ordering or just trying to find who delivers to ireland without huge markup.

I'm not disputing the veracity of what you've posted but the broad anecdotal evidence from people experiencing this issue and engaging with exporters is that the exporters are only having this issue with An Post. That isn't to categorically state in no instances has another EU postal service rejected packages on this basis but there doesn't appear to be any obvious evidence of this being much of an issue elsewhere. If this is the case then why are An Post more draconian than EU peers?

Parcel Force also warns about parcels liable to be returned if not compliant. Again with no reference to the addressee being contacted, and not singling out Ireland as being different to other EU countries.

https://www.parcelforce.com/electronic-customs-data

What is happening it the other EU countries with VAT collection? If the anecdotal reports are that nothing has changed since 01 July, then they must be also ignoring the €22 rule which was abolished then. This should have produced hundreds of thousands of extra parcels being charged VAT.

If people in France etc are being charged VAT on a €5 piece of plastic from China, plus a hefty admin charge on top, I expect their social media would be aflame with indignation.

So it looks like in all the other EU countries Customs have said to the Post Office just let everything through regardless, and don't bother us with having to assess charges. In Ireland Customs have said to An Post, we have not got the staff to assess thousands of extra parcels, don't pass them on to us. And An Post have decided to send them back. That is what I am getting from the thread anyway.

With everything bar a concession for gifts being liable to VAT, I cannot see how every EU country is actually charging VAT from €1 value upwards. Otherwise the anecdotal and social media evidence would surely be pointing to much public unrest since the start of July. Especially with "The French".

At the very least there should be major complaints about delays, caused by the big increase in admin. Unless all these countries have recruited a lot of extra staff. The biggest source of complaint would probably be the Post Office fee on top of what might be a paltry VAT charge.

Perhaps. It has been on the agenda for a while though and you don't see a lot of Irish complaining about the fee. If the change is unenforceable then it shouldn't have been brought in in the first instance. As I say, we're diverging off the point at hand. Why are An Post the only ones taking this approach? On top of this why do they seem to be making so many CN22/CN23 errors? How many parcels have they rejected on the basis of CN22/23 & TARIC since 1 July. What is the cost and carbon footprint impact? Are the politicians aware and what is their view on the reputational issues for doing business with Ireland and from a climate change perspective? There's a lot of very unclear questions with very little by way of answers.

Again I'd emphasise this thread is not to discuss the pros and cons of the EU Vat changes but the manner in which An Post are acting and the impact they're having on recipients, businesses and the environment.

I was thinking Parcel Motel could that be used? Nightline is gonna be UPS now so would it bypassing An Post? Be good for smaller bits maybe.

God I miss Parcel Wizard

I'm in touch with friends, relations and businesses in the UK all the time and with the exception of implementing the new rules, which Royal Mail have help enormously with their very helpful videos and website, nothing else has changed, except for Ireland.

Packages are flowing freely and being processed quickly by postal services all over Europe and it's very true that Ireland is the core talking point in a less than complimentary fashion.

I appreciate that we have other EU countries we can buy from and I do so regularly, particularly Germany. Amazon are very good but so also are "independent" sites who make it so easy for non German speakers/readers. However, some stuff MUST come from the UK. Many many years ago I did what many would see as despicable and stood to attention while I swore the oath of allegiance to HM The Queen (sorry I am a filthy Brit living amo🤣ng you"!) The point being that where else am I going to get my Squadron coffee mug! You get the point, I trade as much as possible in Ireland - support the companies who will give your kids and grandkids their jobs in the future. After that I support our EU. After that the UK and for UK specific items.

Apart from all this, it's a bit odd that no politician, no TV or Radio station, and no newspaper (except the half assed article in the IT) has reacted. I'm currently compiling a submission to the Dail Committee on Transport and Communications, as this forms an official record and come back at any time to bite people, and might even get someone's attention. Having said that, and lived with this since this thread was one page, I'm as near as certain that this is a planned agenda by persons unknown.

I've made this suggestion a few times and will continue in case it gets a reaction, but I there anyone out their with the legal qualifications to initiate action which would be funded by all of us victims. If we could do something sudden and drastic like take an injection halting the export of packages or something else that would get the full and undivided attention of An Post. I also feel a personalised campaign (not personal) citing David McRedmond as the unsuitable face of An Post and ultimately responsible for this damage, in a manner that would lead to his dismissal / resignation. Nothing more and nothing less. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS / NO INVADING HIS PRIVACY. In other words, not David McRedmond the man but David McRedmond the An Post CEO.

Additionally a massive unload of petitions/emails/letters/twitters on the politicians wouldn't go astray either, but whatever happens, finding the nature of the hidden agenda would serve us best!