New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

Will be interesting to see how this new project with Piers gets on. One thing though on the attempt to Foxify the UK media landscape is that this is all Ruperts doing and at 90 he is not long for this world. Not sure if anyone saw the recent documentary on the Murdoch family but during the US election Rupert himself got down and dirty on the Fox news floor in New York. He was making all the editorial decisions like he was back in his youth. Everything from the Sleepy Joe stuff to the Big Lie literally has Ruperts fingerprints all over it.

There was interviews with Lachlann who is set to fully take over Fox and it was pretty clear he doesnt agree with the direction his father has dragged Fox in, The Big Lie and allowing Trump to take over the channel was a particular bone of contention between father and son. The other son James has left the family business over the same disagreements and both him and Lachlann are basically New York liberals who grew up in conservative media. Both of them are fully cognisant of the damage their father has caused to democracy in the US and Lachlann does not have the stomach to continue on in that regard. Im not saying Fox will go full on liberal under Lachlann, it wont. But there will be a shift away from the manufactured outrage that is Ruperts calling card.

He's in that same area where Angus Deayton landed after his scandal, you can't satirise or pillory that which you are now an intrinsic part of. No politician will ever need to give him a straight answer again as he can't give a straight answer himself. Decades of journalistic integrity undone in a few weeks.

Rupert Murdoch makes me disappointed there isn't a Hell.

I never claimed GBnews was in itself a success. I criticized it's format from day 1 in this thread. I think you might be confusing me with EH.

The use of the term "woke" for anything and everything, and the being extremely upset over whatever they've decided it means that week is entirely a British right wing thing, though.

If you were in Louisiana in 1960, you'd probably have been screaming at Ruby Bridges and those who were advocating for school desegregation, calling it a SJW/woke cause.

Denouncing the 'Far Left' out of America is laughable given how what they are asking for is considered as centrist policy in many developed countries.

Where's the box for people who are too far gone on the other side of the political spectrum? From what I can tell there doesn't appear to be one.

Leaving aside the fact that you just referred to a specific thread focusing on 'woke culture' and still think it is a fair question to ask where is the box people on the left get put in to and in doing so effectively just answered the question yourself. Why do you think that might be? One sides of the spectrum promotes fairness, helping others, sustainability, the other 'everyone for themselves and rampant capitalism irrespective of the cost. Even in cases where you have extreme cases on the left resulting in suffering, I would argue it is because the system has been hijacked by selfish dictatorial characters rather than an inherent flaw in the premise itself.

I'm living in one of the bluest states in the US and it is far from the 'woke theme park' that thread or your post would suggest it is. AOC wears a dress asking to merely tax the rich and people lose their sh*t over it and call her a socialist/communist where as on the other side 74M people voted for a twice impeached, serial cheater, liar and racist sympathiser (at the very least). These two things are not the same and there is no law that says that both sides have to be as extreme as each other only in different ways.

Examples of Left wing type ideals denigrated on that thread would have people merely being allowed to refer to themselves as he/him, she/her, them/they. In reality, how harmful is that to society? Right wing ideals try to limit access to healthcare and voting. Still think both sides are equal but opposite?

I posted a more detailed comparison between the two (in a political sense) on another thread 'https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117848280#' (post 120) am still waiting for someone to show me just how both sides are the same as the other in that sphere. Maybe you can do so.

Some more background info on Neil's departure

Just because there is a "box" for the far right does not mean there has to be an equivalent one on the left because the crimes of the 2 are not equal.

And seriously"people are afraid to speak out" cop right on there because all anyone does on the right is speak out about it all the bloody time. An American president got elected by talking about it.

GBnews was founded to talk about it. Far from afraid to talk about it

A few interesting tidbits from that Guardian article above

It's like I said on Tucker - Conservative voices are being silenced.

And you can read about it in my latest book......

I find it interesting the Rupert Murdoch didn't get involved in the development of GB News or specifically targeting that market. He seems to be doing so somewhat with the hiring of Piers Morgan and with Frangopoulos involvement you would think that he'd have had the opportunity to discuss doing so.

Surely it dilutes both their market and audience for both of them to be effectively launching new projects at the same time. As GBNews has learned, that market/audience is not exactly bursting at the seams.

IF Murdoch had been involved, there would certainly not have been the same production mistakes at the outset as was seen on GBNews. Maybe Neil's insistence that it wasn't going to be the same as Fox news (while trying to do the same as Fox News) would have meant that a more cohesive approach was never really going to work.

Does it not look like News UK / GB News biggest competitors are likely to be each other both in terms of flagship presenters and the already mentioned audience/market.

FFS, this seems like the 10th time on this platform in the last month I'm seeing stuff like this. If you don't like the answers/questions/position or whatever, feel free to either challenge the post or not engage at all. I'm sick of this practice of people getting offended that someone didn't give them the answer they wanted to get.

Its the need for safe space, thats what GBNews was supposed to be. People cant accept any questions so its post a youtube vid, complain about the "left", and say they are being cancelled.

They just want echo chambers.

But Farage doesn't pull in the viewers, as GBeebies are finding out. Much like their own spike in numbers when they started broadcasting, Farage's spike hasn't been maintained and his numbers while the best on GBeebies are by comparison with his competition, awful.

Farage is a one trick pony. There is no nuance, no interviewing skill, no gravitas or draw for quality guests. Honestly think that whilst he may appear on Murdoch media as a guest, that he won't have a show or career with Talknews.

Talknews will present a far more polished mode of outrage and Farage is IMO going to rapidly become a casualty of his "success" in achieving Brexit. The general public are finding out more and more they've been sold a pup and even the Torygraph and Daily Mail are now blaming Brexit for the issues the Govt are still trying to blame Covid for. Farage is the face of Brexit, a colder, hungrier and far more expensive winter is in store for many because of Brexit. Imagine dealing with UK inflation, and then being hit with record energy prices and a cut in Universal credit within a few weeks? Then seeing the face of the person who led the charge telling you how "Great" Britain is 🤷‍♂️🤦 can't see many carrying on with Farage's particular brand of Koolaid.

Those shortages coupled with an electricity price per Mwh that's now @ 3 times EU average.

Oh he is definitely that but it is a very low bar. very low.

I wouldn't put it past him to become quite a vocal commentator on the performance of the show. He said a lot more last week on QT than he needed to say and isn't one to go quietly in to the night if he thinks he has something to say.