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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭BobHopeless


    Any more lockdowns will break the spirit of a lot of people me included tbh. If we don't open up and stay open now then when?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,896 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    This is the opposite of true. Our cautious approach has been incredibly successful at suppressing cases - the question is whether the trade-off was worth it, not whether the restrictions protected us from outbreaks.

    Each of our waves have followed the loosening of restrictions; our second wave in October 2020 followed the reopening of pubs in late September, our third wave in January 2021 followed our 'normal Christmas' and the currrent fourth wave followed the reopening of pretty much everything over the summer.

    The UK aren't really a good comparison for anything because the general public seem to have a much higher tolerance of preventable deaths than we do, so Boris has had pretty much free reign to do whatever he wants.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lol! What a load of nonsense! Our second wave in October followed the reopening of pubs in late September....

    Do you mean when pubs reopened outside of Dublin for 2 whole weeks?

    By normal Christmas do you mean the 7 days that we were permitted to leave 5KM of our houses?

    The reality is that we got hit by the same waves the rest of Europe did despite having way more restrictions for much longer periods.



  • Registered Users Posts: 490 ✭✭Nyero


    Incredibly successful, as of 3rd September:


    Ireland now has the highest incidence of Covid-19 in the EU, putting the country firmly in the red zone as hospitalisations rise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Russman


    We put this mild illness on a pedestal, as you say, because it has the potential to shut down health care services and facilities wherever it gains a foothold. Be thankful our incredible vaccine uptake has so far and likely will continue to ensure we're not like some states in America where they're rationing healthcare and only providing crisis standards of care.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,896 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    But that's exactly what happened.

    Pubs reopened in September, cases went up, pubs closed, cases went down.

    In December, pubs reopened on 4th December and closed on 24th December. That, coupled with the lifting of restrictions on indoor gatherings, drove cases through the roof.

    You can be as bitter about it as you want but they're the facts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,896 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Lol, you think you're disagreeing with me but in fact you're backing up my point. You're so bitter you can't even think straight.

    We reopened the pubs and restaurants in July, retail and everything else, and cases went up. The restrictions suppressed cases, lifting them increased cases. Even you agree with that, you just don't realise it.

    You're a strange bunch of lads. Get out of the rabbit hole.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,439 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    "When asked if antigen testing might be used to permit people entry to pubs and restaurants, Varadkar said: "It is one of the things that's under examination at the moment."

    Thats a quote from a few months ago, which was already long, long after antigen tests were already being used in other countries.

    Can anybody tell me what the government has done regarding antigen tests in the months that they have supposedly been examining them? Can anybody justify why it takes this long to examine an already tried and tested product?



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you really think that allowing inter county travel for 7 days and opening pubs for 20 days caused those case numbers then I can't help you...

    Look at the charts from all over Europe. We weren't the only country to have a peak of cases.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ICU are rising at present, general hospitalisations seem to be falling. What exactly is the learning take away here? Incidentally Denmark are at 192, which is orange, yet COVID is over there.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    NPHET don't like them as a general test but the noise from the meeting yesterday seemed to suggest it's up to individual sectors to decide what they want to do with them. Donnelly/Harris are likely to have news on that front, Harris because 3rd level were keen on the idea.



  • Registered Users Posts: 490 ✭✭Nyero




  • Registered Users Posts: 490 ✭✭Nyero


    ICU patients are younger now I believe, so tend not to die, higher ICU numbers as a result I suppose.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,896 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Any pub with a kitchen in it did not.

    But you knew that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Wow got hot in here ! Had to sidestep a pile of steaming ......Horse sxxt to get here :)

    No, the ordinary people in UK are suffering but all some here see are open pubs and concerts for the summer .

    Most people did not avail of these facilities as they were too concerned about rising infection rates and hospitalisations and continuing deaths .

    I did live in the UK, Fintan albeit many moons ago , and other countries abroad , and settled back in Ireland because Ireland is a far better place to live and rear a family , despite its faults and flaws.

    I also have many friends and family over there working in various parts of the economy, as I am sure many others do here , and I have heard none praise Boris or his handling of this nor pity us in Ireland.

    The NHS is at breaking point with nearly 8400 Covid cases clogging it up and taking valuable resources away from regular care . Doctors are asking for the army medics to step in to help them in many areas . At this time last year they had 1000 Covid patients , just to put it in context .

    Their government have ensured that financial issues with Brexit have been compounded by their adhoc handling of the pandemic.

    Thousands of working people are off sick isolating because they opened up too soon and supply chains are severely affected leading to shortages of many items on the shelves .

    Companies that export cannot supply eg Mark's and Spencer which are having to close food sections .

    Many businesses have reported losses there and there inflation rate is climbing. Ordinary everyday items like food and clothes have skyrocketed in price .

    Their infection and death rate is appalling , among the worst in the world .

    But let's clap for Boris , shall we ?

    We sure haven't gotten everything right , but we have done a damn sight better than that .

    And while there are a somewhat big group here that are posting regularly on this forum and on social media about how bad our handling of the pandemic has been and how awful our government and country are , it doesn't translate to a group of any significance in the general population .

    Why is that ?

    Irish people are a load of sheep ? Are we ignorant , complacent , unquestioning ?

    No . Ireland has a very well educated population with a keen sense of morality but will only come out in force against something that really sparks our sense of injustice and anger .

    Definitely a work in progress , but that's the key word , progress

    Maybe some people here need to travel and live in other countries before they are so quick to bash Ireland ( cue all the usual posters living abroad currently! )

    Or maybe people just need to get their travel plans and visas in order ? Seeing as how this country is the pits according to some ?

    I would recommend it to all , be good for you all ! 😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    @[Deleted User] " we need to ram the message down the public's throat "! Lovely .



  • Registered Users Posts: 490 ✭✭Nyero


    They opened and operated as restaurants. But drinking pubs stayed closed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 490 ✭✭Nyero


    Most people are avoiding things in the UK?

    Doesn't look like it when you see full premiership stadia. Surely they would be mostly empty if most people are sitting at home scared?


    8400 in hospital is the equivalent of about 600 here. Is 600 our breaking point?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,440 ✭✭✭User1998


    Well I know what country I’d rather be living in for the past 18 months anyway, and its certainly not Ireland



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Covid isnt even in the majority of their populations minds at the moment.


    It will be the same here after October 22nd. Might here a bit of noise from the HSE but that will be it


    The media will move onto climate change. They have already



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  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its true. 2 years on and 99.9% of us are grand yet thousands of kids are currently out of school once again because some kid in the class has the sniffles. Time to start acting like grown ups again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 490 ✭✭Nyero




  • Registered Users Posts: 490 ✭✭Nyero


    They will have blasted through to herd immunity before the normal winter hospital **** show begins.

    We will still be dealing with covid when it happens here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Same crowd supporting pubs as matches . I am talking about overall demographics.

    By the way when you talk about Ireland and Europes waves , in your rush to adore all things British , you conveniently don't mention that the leader of those waves , in every instance was the UK !

    Honestly couldn't make up this stuff , lol !



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Do you have any proof of these claims that most of the UK are avoiding each other or public events/pubs?

    Also your claims re: inflation and supply lines are also false - those are not unique to the UK or their situation. Inflation is worldwide at this stage, most countries seeing 5-10% CPI, and supply lines have been affected by Brexit too. To blame it all on the UK lifting their restrictions is absurd - you just want that to be the case.


    People like you need to come to terms with the fact that we are going to live alongside covid, not hide from it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    They have true .

    Ireland's Covid crisis looks to be over, hopefully bar the lingering effect on our health service and the mental health of people badly affected .

    Not talking about people missing pubs and football matches , but those whose families have been affected, by illness and members dying , jobs lost and real mental health issues for people who are vulnerable and the crisis is not over for them yet .



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Speak for yourselves .

    Some of us here have been grown up a long time and continued to be through this pandemic .



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    If you imagine a soccer club has 1 million fans able to go a weekly game.

    More than half of them, 51%, are too scared to go anymore.

    That still means 490,000 could go to the game. More than enough to fill the stadium.

    80% being too scared would still lead to 200,000 being able to fill the stadium.

    For a club with 4 million fans 80% being scared still means 800,000 would be willing to attend.

    For clubs with a millions and millions of fans you could easily fill a stadium if the majority of their fans are scared to enter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,896 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Uh-huh. That was 100% how it worked.

    Can you imagine what the cases would have been like if the "drinking pubs" had opened?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 490 ✭✭Nyero


    You are right. 80% of brits are hiding behind the couch while 20% are enjoying themselves going to restaurants, pubs, football matches and music festivals.



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