What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

@One eyed Jack if our culture is just as bad, or their culture is not that bad, then why is this country much better?

jm would you be so kind as to clarify what you’re referring to, because while I’m aware of the celebration of Eid in Croke Park, that can’t be what you’re referring to as no laws were broken, and it was an event organised between the GAA and the Irish Muslim Peace and Intergration Council, outside, maintaining social distancing measures for health and safety reasons. Meanwhile, in other areas around the country, people are violating lockdown restrictions and partying like it’s 1999, including some of our foremost political leaders who act as though they are a law unto themselves 🤔

And no jm, that STILL doesn’t mean there are two, or even three, or as many individual legal systems as suits individuals themselves in this country, or in any country for that matter. It’s kinda like the way you speak of practicing Muslims and the way they behave as though they adhere to the literal word of God… I think you’ll find Muslims, like Christians and Jews, will interpret the word of God as suits their purposes.

Yes, but the fact the life quality is better here is not a matter of perspective. It is the objective truth, and it is supported by facts, including the fact they are coming here in droves and not the other way around. And the life is better here because people living here made it so.

You don't want me to make a list of countries, do you?

No utopian version of anything has ever been obtained, anywhere. If it were, it would cease to be utopian. The utopian version of a homogenous society hasn't been achieved neither. Nor will it ever be. The closest you might find is North Korea, now if you want to call that a success story. That some countries in Asia or Middle East may approach a perceived homogeneity is a total fallacy. That is just a perception in the West because, to the profile of person usually making that assessment, most Asians look the same.

Multiculturalism can and does work, for some people in certain situations. Not for everyone. Which again, is saying nothing. It is an impossible question, like looking at a constantly changing kaleidoscope and asking, what color is it now?

There will always be specific times, peoples, and situations in which it will work and not others.

However, the idea that somehow in a developed country (which Ireland is now considered to be, go figure...) you are going to get rid of all the immigrants, is nothing short of delusional.

Even in the Celtic Tiger years, Ireland had and continues to have a small and manageable proportion of migrants, compared to the rest of Europe. Even those most different to our traditional culture (e.g. Muslims, Buddhists, non-Christian Africans, etc...) are largely respectful of Irish traditions and culture even if they don't partake. Most immigrants don't want any trouble. They leave their countries to make a better living, help their families and escape poverty or other bad situations. Generally, you don't uproot yourself from your country (where no one points a finger at you) and go to some other place and put up with the ignorance of others, just to act the maggot and make a bollix of it.

Sure Bubblypop, when it comes to lawbreaking we have more than enougn of our "own". I used the example of Muslims breaking our Lockdown Laws, to illustrate when push comes to shove, Practising Muslims will always obey their Islamic Law. They cannot do otherwise. And I'm pretty sure that Blackpitts Mosque was not the only one either.

The difference for Muslims breaking Irish Laws, and "our own" breaking them, is for Muslims, its a religious imperative. This is not any "accidental" law breaking ( or for financial gain as is the main reason for "our own" lawbreaking / criminal classes ) Its a very deliberate snubbing of Irish laws, in favour of a religious law. And thats the big difference Bubblypop.

Ahh jm, seriously, as an example of Muslims being compelled to do something by virtue of their adherence to their particular sect of Islam, and whatever that may be… the example you’re giving is weak as dishwater, almost to the point of being facetious! I did look up the example and even Dublin Live couldn’t make a “thing” of it -

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@jmreire I understand what Islam is, and how it works, and how Sharia Law works and all the rest of it, but given for example in Tehran alone there are over 10,000 prostitutes. UnQuote.

Having lived and worked in Iran myself, I can safely say that this is the very first time that I've heard of their being 10'000 prostitutes working in Teheran...But I can tell you that they have very active Religious Police department, with extremely harsh penalties. ( and this aside from the fact that they are a very conservative race of people, even without the current religious dictatorship. But what does happen there,is given the extremely hard life many endure, many will "Marry" in the evening, and divorce the following morning, which is all legal and above board, under Sharia Law....But this is a last option, taken by women who have no other choice, its that bad there. Maybe one of you friends happened to mention the penalty for Adultery Jack? Its Stoning, and Iran practices a brutal form of Islam. So 10'000 Prostitutes???? I doubt it very much.

Quote :- I’d hope @jmreire wasn’t asking me the question as though he thought a couple of years spent in Islamic countries makes him an authority on the subject of Islam or Sharia Law.: UnQuote.

I've never claimed to be an authority on Sharia Law, Dick. ( although at one time I shared an apartment with professor of Islamic Jurisprudence , and he did explain a few things to me, which made me a bit more understanding of the Religion) None the less, when your total knowledge of any subject comes from hearsay, versus from some one who has actual personal lived experience, the one with the personal experience will win hands down, every time.

When Mohammad died, the first Muslim war began between those who believed that blood lineage was the way forward ( Shia Islim, with Ali Hussein, nephew of Mohammad, who was murdered / Martyred) versus those who believe that the leadership had to come from the writing of the Quran ( The Hadiths / Sunnahs, etc ) called Sunni Islam. To this day, that war continues, And if that was not bad enough, down through the years, further factions emerged IE Wahabbism, which has given us the most extreme form of Islam, beloved by isis, taliban etc. So yes there are many varients, but all have one thing in common, and thats the Quran. Each sect believes it has the one and only correct word of God version if you like. And interpret it accordingly. So the Sunnis intrepret it their way ( Wahabbism is from the Sunni version, and if we have not experienced it personally, then the whole world has heard of it, and seen it on TV. IE:- isis burning red suited men alive in cages etc. You have the Saudi Sunni's V Iranian Shia fightimg a proxy war in Yemen. At the edges, you have the Muslim contingents, who like their Catholic / Christian brethren have a very relaxed if indeed any interest in Religion at all. But at the core of each version, you will find people with very hard line views. These are the ones who have no problem whatsoever putting on a suicide vest , entering a crowd of people and killing / maiming hundreds of people, or knifing or driving vehicles into a crowd of innocent people.

I don't understand what the goal is here.

Taking into account your expressed views, what would be an acceptable scenario for you?

Genuine question.

I don't have any goal other than honest debate.

Entertainment then, is that all?

Let me entertain you with some hard truths then.

No government or power in the world can ever end the practice of any religion. It is simply impossible.

It would lead to war and the disintegration of civilisation. Not because we need religion to organise ourselves, but because humans will never let go of it, regardless.

The best you can hope for is to substitute it with another set of ideals (see communism) and doesn't work either for any length of time. We always revert to religion.

You can't stop religion entering your geographical area, country, any more than you can stop ideas or people.

So, it seems like a pretty futile waste of energy what you are doing IMHO. But I hope you are at least enjoying yourself.