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Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Nope, continue the work on the uncontroversial 23kms or so, as contracted, work on a solution with stakeholders for Deansgrange (some sort of shared surface deal with priority crossings, most likely) then complete that in turn.

    Its not rocket science. Or at least it wouldn't be if the Council Exec weren't being spiteful.

    The one way design on Deansgrange Road isn't happening, the sooner everyone gets over that and focuses on alternative solutions, the better for all concerned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I think the actual situation is that the potential damage to the community locally was effectively communicated to the Council, ultimately.

    Like many of these things, I doubt most of the people who became active over Deansgrange had ever contacted a Councillor before, let alone knew who they were, which isn't what I would characterise as well connected.

    In the end, a majority of Councillors made a judgement on balance for the greater benefit of the wider area and thats where things are now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Your myopia is constant.

    Quite apart from business access, which is legitimate, some of those commercial sites are on the slate to provide higher density residential, based on the provisions of the current county development plan, which will be based on a certain level of road access etc

    And so there is far more going on for Councillors to consider in the round, than just Ann and Barry on a Fisher Price bike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭Mr. Cats


    Always comes back to development with you doesn’t it. Private citizen indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,308 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Is that ANY possibility that you're being a tad selective about what particular public expenditures you choose to get particularly excited about? Not a peep about spending €80 million to manage the M50 because we can't rely on drivers to drive safely, but yeah, let's get all excited about a few cents (relatively speaking) spent on cycle lanes.

    Some people are clearly more equal that the vast majority who responded to the consultation, in your mind. Perhaps we should get back to the old days of the merchant princes being in charge, and letting our betters decide these important things for peasants?


    The mask slips.



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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Your disgust with children is quite telling.

    More than ever I believe that protected infrastructure is required to protect children from attitudes such as yours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    1) Housing is the only game in town.

    2) I'm not involved with any current or future projects within 5km of Deansgrange at the moment.

    3) If this was the Motorways Forum, I'd have plenty to say about it, but it isn't.

    4) I'm not disgusted by children. My own three piss me off occasionally, but disgust would be a strong word.

    We are talking about a massively and permanently impactful measure, for 45 mins in the morning and 45 mins in the early afternoon, for 8 months of the year.

    Young kids aren't going be let cycle without their parents anyway, by the time they're old enough, they should be practicised in cycling on all street types and with signal, roundabouts and so on. Whatever is built in Deansgrange eventually should be for all cyclists, all of the time, and side by side, with existing road users and the whole community



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭Mr. Cats


    1) When all you’ve got is a hammer, you tend to see nails everywhere

    2) You say you don’t have any interest in any of this beyond a quest to seek value for taxpayers. At the same time you’re claim that you’re advising Sandymount residents on strategies against the cycle lane there and lobbying councillors in Deansgrange, even though you don’t live in either area. You keep linking cycle lanes to upcoming development in both areas (see 1) and you are a planning consultant. Something smells very fishy. I really doubt that anyone lobbies councillors in another council area cause they’re concerned about tax spending. It would be a very principled thing to do. Further up the thread you’ve stated that you see your job to get the best planning result for developers, through any loophole possible. Not so principled. To me, it seems you are being disingenuous at best (some would call it shithousery).

    3) and 4) irrelevant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    And yet, we are, where we are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭CJay1


    There's a cycle this Sunday (26th of Sept) to show support for the cycle lane.

    Starting in Springhill Playground at 2pm and going down Deansgrange Road, to Clonkeen Park and back.

    It's being organised by local residents.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,947 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Shay Brennan trying to reverse the halt on the cycling-to-school works:




  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Does this mean they'll be forced to make Deansgrange oneway?

    The horror!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,947 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,947 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,947 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    "[Brennan] said it would include the Deansgrange section of the project because the setup means it is "all or nothing". Asked if it will be a hard vote to win he said that "all votes are hard to win".



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So basically anyone voting no to this is saying they don't want safe travel for kids in 65 schools

    Ahh, you've got to love politics lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    looking forward to a time when cycle lanes and the merits and demerits extend beyond “Won’t somebody think of the children”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The Council Chief Exec is not obliged to follow a Section 140, if in his opinion to do so would jeopardise public safety , so the whole exercise is a hollow bit of grandstanding anyway.

    But the remainder of the scheme should be carried on with anyway, without Deansgrange, this shithousery by Burns and Co must not be tolerated.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Council Chief Exec is not obliged to follow a Section 140, if in his opinion to do so would jeopardise public safety 

    I've no doubt he will not determine safer infrastructure to be a risk and would follow through on building the full, complete, entire network, Deansgrange included. In fact, in his shoes, I would prioritise Deansgrange to ensure that any further shenanigans would result in the same situation again.

    But the remainder of the scheme should be carried on with anyway, without Deansgrange, this shithousery by Burns and Co must not be tolerated.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm loving how much this is irritating you



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Doesn't your taxes being spaffed up the wall by this incompetent Council irritate you at all? Cos it should.

    Deansgrange will be a two-way solution or not at all. If that sinks the whole scheme, albeit unnecessarily, then so be it, it'll be laid at the Chief Execs door either way.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Doesn't your taxes being spaffed up the wall by this incompetent Council irritate you at all? Cos it should.

    Only you could depict safe infrastructure as a waste

    Deansgrange will be a two-way solution or not at all. If that sinks the whole scheme, albeit unnecessarily, then so be it

    So screw the attendees of 65 schools because those in the Chelsea tractors would have a detour on their spin back from Brown Thomas.

    Priorities, not sure you understand what the electorates are

    it'll be laid at the Chief Execs door either way.

    Only by those who are feeling the pressure after their antics blew up in their collective faces, everyone else knows where the blame lies for this delay



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Never say anything is safe. Its merely safeR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭cletus


    I'll say again, for the record, I have no skin in this at all, but do you think, if the Council Chief Exec objected to this on the grounds of public safety (the only reason you give as the basis for an objection) that it would constitute a legitimate objection?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Neither position is tenable, but its clear the Executive and the Councillors behind the Section 140 are acting together to squeeze the Deansgrange objectors.

    The Executive first said they would proceed with the balance of the scheme pending a solution for the Deansgrange section and then sometime later said they couldn't do that on grounds of safety, specifically the integrated nature of the project, and so would suspend all works.

    The S140 isnt just compelling them to restart the balance of works but also to complete the Deansgrange section, against the position already conceded by the Executive a fortnight ago, i.e. to reevaluate Deansgrange.

    So, you ask me would the Executive ignoring the 140 be legitimate? I say their previous position that led to this particular 140 wasn't legitimate anyway and that two wrongs don't make a right. I also say they've created a hell of a mess with their muddled and amateurish carry-on.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Neither position is tenable, but its clear the Executive and the Councillors behind the Section 140 are acting together to squeeze the Deansgrange objectors.

    Got some kind of evidence to back that up or did you mean to post it in the conspiracy theory forum?

    The S140 isnt just compelling them to restart the balance of works but also to complete the Deansgrange section, against the position already conceded by the Executive a fortnight ago, i.e. to reevaluate Deansgrange.

    Correct, the S 140 is saying forget your evaluation and get to work building the full network as you had planned to do

    As for how this will all play out, who knows. Maybe the full network will be built, starting with Deansgrange, maybe nothing will be built and the status quo will remain. My money is on the former but if its the latter I am not going to stress about it too much. This infrastructure is coming one way or another



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Not in the manner of a two-way cycle route on a traffic lane of the Deansgrange Road section, it isn't.

    Why? Cos if DLR try and force it through, they'll get Mannix Flynned. And the precedent is there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Strand Road went to Court and the petitioners were vindicated for the Council's lack of proper planning.

    Its exactly the same here and the Council keeps changing the message and the parameters. Therefore, the shithousery is unilateral.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,724 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    It's either a network, or it isn't. Only someone who has never cycled Deansgrange in rush hour would think it appropriate to end a network aimed particularly at children to use at rush hour and expect them to negotiate that clusterf*ck. As a confident adult cyclist I have looked at alternatives, as Deansgrange is on my commute.



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