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Michael D Higgins insists he is President of Ireland, refuses to commemorate partition

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Massive own goal by Higgins. Snubbing the people of NI

    There's your problem right there. A minority of a minority are not 'the people of NI'. The days of unionist dominance of their little sectarian enclave are over. The census results in a couple of months will be the cherry-on-the-cake of a truly disastrous anniversary for Unionism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭hawley


    The President said he decided it would be "inappropriate to attend".

    President Higgins said of the event's title: "It isn't a neutral statement politically.

    "Let's be clear...that's why doing commemorations is difficult."


    He didn't give them a chance to amend the title; he never told them of any problem he had with the title.


    The government are sending a representative to the event. He has told so many lies and is sowing division. One thing that people forget is that he is a political extremist. He is an extreme far left ideologue. He has displayed Trump-like behavior in the past few days, from being offended by a statement from the DUP, to lying about the invite and then attacking former Prime Minister Bruton.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,901 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    But the title was a neutral statement. It wasn't celebrating, it wasn't commemorating, it was "marking".

    Higgins didn't want to go, but his excuses are laughable. He should just be brave about it and tell the truth that when it comes down to it, his words about reconciliation are only words. Robinson and McAleese would have gone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    It would have been interesting to see if Mary McAleese would have gotten an invite from an event organised by the RC Hierarchy.

    On the actual event,it will be interesting to see what the 'reflecting' will be. The invite says that political leaders will be invited (with nationalists refusing invitation). Those that not make it a political event?



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,125 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Marking what. The success of partition. 100yrs of peace, stability and economic success?

    Who wouldn't want to associated with that.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Good man Miggledy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    From the invitation, it's all there in black and white. Nothing about success or a history of peace, stability or economic success. - The service will provide the opportunity for honest reflection on the past one hundred years, with an acknowledgement of failures and hurts, but also with a clear affirmation of our shared commitment to building a future marked by peace, reconciliation and a commitment to the common good. The overriding theme will be that of 'Hope'.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    You know and I know Unionists would have taken Higgins' attendance as a seal of approval on their partition.

    Nothing laughable about refusing to engage because petty anti-Irish people attempted to belittle our President, (the office and man). I know FG'ers aren't use to people having principles.

    I'd say the queen is embarrassed to be made go.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    Question for the few people lambasting the president over this. Should he have gone to the Easter Rising commemoration in 2016 that he was invited to?

    This occasion seems like a mirror of those occasions in 2016 - he refused to cross the border to attend one sided events.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Who has pulled out of the one in October? Is it a one sided affair, like the attached, with only unionists attending?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Higgins has been a great President, it's incredible that at one point he looked like losing an election to Sean Gallagher;)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    The Belfast Telegraph reported that Sinn Féin and the SDLP are "boycotting" it.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Surely the presence of the RC church in the organisation of this means by definition it is not one-sided ?

    If it was organised by just the main Prod churches then I could see the logic .... but it's not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000



    I don't think so. The Irish RC church has long since lost any right to speak for any Irish person and have been on the wrong side of just about every major development for years. And the same with this this IMO. Literally no nationalist/republican on either side of the border has any wish to mark the NI centenary. And in terms of NI, Sinn Féin and SDLP speak for the nationalist community as their elected representatives, not these appointed stooges of the foreign imperialist power in Rome.

    IMO he was right to steer clear in 2016 and he's right to steer clear now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,901 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,125 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    Its part of a wider programme of events marking 100yrs of NI. https://ourstoryinthemaking.com/

    Its basically a sales pitch for NI going forward. They should have resisted the temptation to constantly refer to 100yrs and thus partition and thus the past in general.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,024 ✭✭✭trashcan


    But they really don’t care. Honestly, we can bend over backwards to accommodate Unionists, they are simply not interested. The last thing they want is to be represented by the Irish President. Ask Downcow.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,125 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    They should partition the partition, so they can keep their majority. Worked so well the last time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Neither you nor Downcow speak for ALL unionists. There will be some with an 80s Paisley 'Never, Never, Never' outlook. But thankfully the younger generations are not as brainwashed into this us and them divide. I spend a lot of time in NI around Bangor, i've never had any issues and have friends of both denominations and none. Most of those of a unionist bent realize that a UI is a distinct possibility in their lifetime and their main worry would be that they would be seen as less than their catholic counterparts. President Higgins has firmed up that worry for them.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't see it listed on that site under events ?



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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thats a lot of "theys" in one post. Thanks for deciding that all Unionists think the same way about everything though, no stereotyping or anything.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭hawley


    That's the most important part about this. The government have been trying to create an environment where a UI is possible. He has helped damage that process. He obviously never had the slightest intention of attending, given that he never engaged with the organizers. The amount of hatred directed at Unionists on here has surprised me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Sorry but to say Unionists don't want to be a part of Ireland and wish to stay a part of the United Kingdom is the most basic fact. You cant be a Unionist and be in favour or even not too bothered about leaving the UK and being a part of Ireland.



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why are unionists taking this so personally?

    If it's not a political gig, why are the DUP so bothered by his non attendance?



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In my experience the world is not black and white but rather more grey.

    Some Unionists will have firm views, some will be moderate and open to being convinced about a unified Ireland, some will only be Unionists because they were told to be by their parents and have never truly considered anything different, and some will have a different value set to the previous generations that lived through the troubles. Don't underestimate the effect Brexit has had on some unionist thinking. You (plural) really need to start seeing the opportunity here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭eire4


    They don't. Our football team is called Ireland as the badge on our jerseys clearly shows.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    It has become political. Hence why we are talking about it in a current affairs forum. Two political parties are also not sending representatives. Just because it was organised by the churchs of Ireland does not preclude it from becoming political. His reasons for not attending this and other events in the past is that he feels it has become too political. There certainly is proof in the media it has become political.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,074 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The adoption of the distinction in international soccer was purely because of the exceptional nature of the administration of the sport on this island, which is to say, most if not all other international sports are competed for on an all-island basis or on the basis of an all-island body administering them; Rugby, Hockey, Athletics, Golf, Boxing, Motorsport, Swimming and so on.

    It should also be noted that the Irish Football Association in the 6 Counties is the original body and that the FAI is the 'breakaway' of a century ago, when a period of discord in relation to the running of association football took place, necessitating a distinction to be made.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,115 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Get over yourself. Your issue is that he is from the left and as such he doesn't represent your political outlook. All the rest is just fake outrage.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    The Republic of Ireland distinction for the football team (it's not just a distinction, it's the official team name) was made by FIFA (not the FAI) in 1953 to settle a 30 year dispute and distinguish between the two Irish football teams - the FAI one and the IFA one, the latter becoming the Northern Ireland football team.



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