What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Went away and had a think about this for a while and honestly it just brings up more questions than making a statement about anything.

I gather that as a nationalist you believe it’s healthy for ALL nations to have their own strong identity and culture, but then you mention parts of Ireland and parts of the UK which are multicultural precisely because the people who are living in those areas maintain their own identities and cultures, but they are FAR from representative of either Ireland or the UK as a whole, countries in which people still have the freedom to maintain their own strong identities and cultures.

This is not the case in countries like China or any of the Stans where people do not have the freedom to forge their own strong identities and cultures, China for example introducing all sorts of measures to force people to conform to their Governments ideas of Chinese National culture and identity. The Stans pretty much at the same sort of behaviour by their Governments and ruling factions who claim to be the legitimate Government of any country - it’s easy to enforce a nationalistic monoculture once you crush any and all dissent.

So, as you’re claiming to be a nationalist, I gather it’s not the type of nationalism espoused by the leaders of the 1916 Rising which led to the Declaration of Independence and there was ne’er a mention of geographic territory, but rather ideas of an “Irish Nation” and “Irish People”? It can only be your own interpretation of nationalism I’m not familiar with. It sounds very much like the sort of ideas that were espoused by Fr. John Creagh agin’ the Jewish community in Limerick, though to be fair to you, you’re not nearly so specific in what you mean as he was -

In 1904 Father John Creagh, a Redemptorist, gave a sermon attacking Jews. He repeated many antisemitic conspiracy theories, including that of ritual murder, and said that the Jews had come to Limerick "to fasten themselves on us like leeches and to draw our blood".

Nope, as I think of it, even Sinn Féin don’t fit the political description of nationalism as they might once have done from their origins. The policies of its modern political leadership with regard to immigration and other social policies appear to consist of whatever they imagine will gain them some influence at local level, which would support your assertion that multiculturalism is indeed only likely to get worse, from your perspective, which I gather you see multiculturalism as having a negative influence on Irish society.

I guess I just really want to give you the benefit of the doubt that your ideas of nationalism and multiculturalism do not align with the sort of ideas espoused by the National Party, but from taking your post within it’s entire context, it’s difficult to come to any other conclusion, in which case I think their lack of popularity is an indication that your views are out of sync with the Irish people and Ireland as a nation who do not see immigrants as a threat to the health of their strong national identity and their own interpretations of what they view as Irish culture.

their clothing and their language, that'd be a clue right there.......protesting against the Taliban from the safety of O'Connell Street is kind of pointless. Instead of having a moan here,why do the fighting age males not join their alleged brothers in the Panjshir valley and take up arms against the Talibs directly? Their main enthusiasm appears to centre on getting as far away from their homeland as possible instead of fixing it.....as far the Gardai,some appeared to be vigilant and keeping a general eye out,as you'd expect but a few appeared engrossed in their phones. Some of them did not inspire confidence.

Their main enthusiasm was to have the Irish Government not recognise the legitimacy of the Taliban in Government, and to appeal to the International community to intervene to stop the attacks in Panshir.

What they appear to be advocating for is LESS killing, not more, which would go some way towards explaining why the fighting age males in Ireland aren’t too keen on the idea of more killings -

Iker, re Islam, some thoughts on your post:

For a practising Muslim, everything he does is dictated to by the Quran and Sharia Law. The clothes he /she wears. What they can eat ( what is Halal / Haram) When he / she can eat or not ( Ramadan) How they think and act, kill the unbelievers / Peace and Love. As My Wahabbi friend taught me about the Quran / Sharia Law. IE;- Everything you will ever need or want you can find in the Quran.It is the complete answer and Life pathway for any man / woman. There is nothing it does not cover, because it comes directly from God and is his command. And this sums it up 100%. These were his ( my Friends ) very words. He later went on to prove his devotion to Islam in the ultimate way at the expense of innocent lives..and Muslim ones at that.

So whenever and where ever a sizable Nr of Muslims will gather, the Quran and Sharia is what they will live by. They will take all of their problems / issues to the local Mosque, to get answers and decisions. So you will have many "Islamic Islands" in an EU sea ( for example ) And within these Islands, the Quran and Sharia Law will rule. But externally, they will also obey the Law of the Land, as along the lines of " When in Rome, do as the Romans do" indeed, the Quran instructions them to do this. But practicing Muslims first priority has always been and will always be to Islam.

In a democracy, ( in theory anyway ) majority rules. With Islam possibly the fastest growing and spreading religious grouping in the world today, of course it will have an effect on demographics. Here in Ireland, we have been very fortunate not have experienced any of the Islamic attacks that other EU Countrys have. Not yet anyway, but who can guarantee that it will never happen? Even so, when you hear about Ali Selim saying that the schools must change their teaching to be more accomodating to Muslim belief, and sports, school meals etc must also change to be more in line with Islamic rules. Now that to me is Islamic change in action. And will the day come here in Ireland, as it already has in France ( + other EU Countrys) where an Irish Woman cannot go into a restaurant / cafe bar , as its men-only?

Yes, we ( Christians ) had our dark ages, thats true, but that ended a long time ago. Islam has never changed, not since its foundation in the 6th century, and unfortunately, can never change. The return of Mohammad is predicated on submission of the whole world to Allahs will. IE Total conversion to Islam.

Now you have pointed out some of the practical issues in preventing this ever happening, and I'm in agreement with you, but again this all hinges on a Muslims belief, so the practicalities will never deter him / them from following Mohammads commands.

As a kind of "Draconian" reaction by adopting laws restricting Muslims, these laws are already been enacted by many Country's who see the spread of Islam as a distinct threat to their culture,,,Switzerland, ( for example ) banned the construction of any more Mosques. If you want to search, I'm sure you will find plenty more.This is what will hinder Islam, as more and more start to object to it, and politicians react to voters wishes. Will it be enough though? Remember it was dedicated Islam which defeated the greatest military power on the planet.

Where the Taliban are concerned, I'd be more in favour of a long delay in recognising them. Just look at the present list of "Fans", China, Russia and Pakistan. Not the kind of company we should be in any rush to join.Give the Taliban one or two years, and see how it looks then, but for the immediate future? Nope. !!!

If people would recognise it for what it is that will mean to also admit they are islamophobes, and that cannot happen. We can have no go areas, bombings, beheadings, towns that don't look European anymore, but not THAt. We can't have that, we need to protect their feelings at all costs, including human lives.

I'll never cease to be surprised by the fact that so many left leaning individuals are defending a far right ideology just because it happens to be imported from outside the western world, and also by their failure to realize its danger of undoing decades of social progress. Well, I suppose western civilization need to be brought down by something at some point.

Yes, because islam is the religion of peace, the islamic extremists are extremely peaceful, or something like that.

I'm not going to argue with your fear mongering. This below is common to Republics throughout Europe. Check out 2-2. One more time, church and State are separate. Even if there was one Irish person left in a sea of Muslims, a desperately ludicrous scenario of course, it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference. No way around this. No Sharia, ever. Not here. Know your own country's laws before getting so afraid.

IRISH CONSTITUTION

ARTICLE 44

1 The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence and shall respect and honour religion.

2     1° Freedom of conscience and the free profession and practice of religion are, subject to public order and morality, guaranteed to every citizen.

2° The State guarantees not to endow any religion.

Take the Catholic Church. We can all agree it had tremendous power and influence in this country. Yet, they can't force me to go to mass, or be celibate while unmarried, or anything to do with their doctrine. In fact, things like abortion, the running of the educational system and hospitals, etc.. this is all either already gone from them or getting away. And this is right across Europe, while still masses of people 'identify' as Catholic!. So now you are saying we have gone to all that trouble to assert our freedoms and secularise society, only to bow down to a non-native, far Eastern, alien religious practice which requires even more draconian changes to society than the ones we've forcefully and legally rejected?

Please, please, please, calm down. Grand to waste your energies hating whoever you like (so far as you don't get too carried away and break the law), but please don't try to justify plain, old fashioned, ignorant hatred and fear mongering of the foreign with some sort of boogey man story a toddler can see through.