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Farming Youtubers

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240


    YouTube and all other social media platforms are advertising platforms.


    Would highly recommend the social dilemma on Netflix for anyone stuck for something to watch as the evenings get longer. Quite the eye opener

    To quote the documentary, if you're not paying for the product, You are the product. The advertisers are the customers

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭Odelay


    Had a Déjà vu moment watching this weeks video from IFarmWeFarm. Below is October 2019





  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I'm paying for it through advertisements. If you're not paying for a product, you are the product.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭straight




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Hardly need to go to YouTube to be surrounded by advertising. There are Ads on boards.ie and there is a premium ad free option for it too. I understand how advertising works but I don't make very many purchasing decisions based on YouTube Ads, so yes it's still free and cost me nothing.

    Sometimes if I find content online I really like I click on an occasional ad to generate a little more income for the person producing the content but still doesn't cost me anything or commit me to buying anything.

    Plenty of advertising on TV too, even on premium Channels are you not part of the product there too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭emaherx


    How much of a discount do you think he really got from a local dealer that quite likely never herd of him or wouldn't feel that many of the local clients would be influenced by him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Netflix's many emotive documentaries certainly don't do its own advertising any harm. See how you just highly recommend them and 2 posts in a row are a direct quote. Imagine you paid for their service ad free and still ended up being their product.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Well as long as you don't make purchasing decisions based on youtube videos, that's fine. Unfortunately there's lots of lads out there who don't understand all the freebies behind it all and think these youtubers are being genuine with their reviews.

    I don't know why you're acting like I'm against advertising. I'm against advertising which is disguised as a genuine honest review.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    The great thing about that is at least you can trust their recommendation and they're recommending it because they think it's good, not because they were paid to tell you to recommend it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Maybe read back through your last few posts you might get the idea as to why someone might have the mistaken notion that you may be against advertising.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Who's they? Were they not paid by Netflix and by extension us? What about their other documentaries that get similar responses and recommendations by other groups? We all trust the ones we agree with 😉.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,760 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    The likes of youtube etc don't give a flying fig if you buy or never buy anything from the ads it shows. They make their money by you being there. They sell advertising to people and display it on your screen. I guarantee you that if we both watched the same videos, the ads displayed would be different. That's down to your digital ID following you around the net. Same goes for Facebook or other Google companies. Look up the "Consent" cases across the EU where the tech companies are trying to get around the GDPR stuff. It's mad what they can do and are doing in order to build a picture of each user.

    Back on topic, IFarm WeFarm is 100% looking for free mats this week. Seems he was at it a couple of years ago too but must not have got much interest. Will keep an eye now if he manages to get some this time. All these guys do look for freebies. No more than any of the rest of us would, regardless of being on the internet or not. I bet we've often gone in to buy something or whinged to some company looking for free stuff or bigger discounts. It's only natural :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭timple23


    I'm simply trying to point out the level of expenditure he has had in the last 24 months considering he is only milking approximately 50 cows. He uploads a video on the finances of the small scale farming, talks about the importance of the cow, but has only made investments in machinery over the last while. Also talks about his workload, but is buying machinery to replace work a contractor is doing, therefore increasing his workload. I'm entitled to point out the contradictions he is making. Compare the level of machinery farmer Phil has purchased in the same time considering the herd size and contracting work they have.

    What have I to be jealous of?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240


    Netflix revenue model is not advertising? You pay for the streaming service, Not an ad free version. Your last comment makes no sense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭timple23


    Farmhand would have given the discount, they already sent him a heap of clothing. Weren't farmhand passing around an amazone spreader to all the youtubers in springtime? Look at the advertising campaign JFC ran in the spring time. Look at MC, he has been wearing branded clothing in some of his video, they were probably freebies sent to him, but its advertising for DairyPower and AgriLand. Companies couldn't do any trade shows or demo days for the last few years and these youtubers have a targeted audience of approx 50k weekly, so its easy to give demos and discounts to them rather than the costs involved in a field day. Farming youtuber's videos can be divided into what I did this week and look at this product I've been given to review.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭youllbemine


    Slightly off topic but I've got a sub to FarmFlix. Have to say I'm a big fan of their model. €52 for 12 months which is a good price considering the quality of the content and access to the back catalogue (hundreds of videos).

    The only problem I have with it is there is I feel there is little variety with the constant silage contractor and big dairy man videos.

    Could do with some niche/alternative enterprises. Sometimes I feel they should split it into FarmFlix and TractorFlix.

    With regards to YouTube, there should be a warning either in the video or the description which stated that this is a sponsored video or a discount was given on this product, as Instagram have.

    Have recently deleted YouTube from my phone because ast week I logged how many hours I was spending watching farming and gardening videos. I can tell you I would be better off if I read some books or went out working a second job!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭timple23


    The video they did on the peat harvesting was interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Never suggested their revenue was advertising based just that their production line of essentially click bait emotive documentaries that cater for all tastes is essentially good advertisment for themselves, after a poster suggested that you can trust the content as they are not being "paid" to create it. My point was that they hardly trust the content of all of these documentaries on the same basis, as Netflix a paid platform no more cares about it's content than YouTube does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Clothing and extended demos and some discount likely but probably not as much as some on here think. Last company I worked for almost every customer I visited was wearing a hat or a t-shirt or a body warmer with the company logo on, everyone loves a freebie.


    50k worldwide subscribers most of which probably are not active farmers or potential customers of the higher end Machinery. I'd bet they do much better on the little stuff.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭DBK1


    I have a friend who’s a manager in a small Irish manufacturing company. They provided a machine of theirs for free to one of the bigger Irish youtubers last year. He used it in one of his videos and for 3 weeks after it they couldn’t keep the phones and emails answered. They got hundreds of enquiries from all around the world and they’ve estimated to have sold 60 - 70 units because of it.

    They’re now in “negotiations” for some time with one of the bigger English youtubers to provide them with a machine and also bring them to Ireland on an all expenses paid trip and it’s not as simple as they thought. There are plenty of extra demands also.

    Anyone who thinks these lads aren’t getting massive perks from what they do is very naive.

    I don’t watch any of them apart from a few mins of an odd video based on recommendations from here and I can’t understand how people would waste their time looking at them. They talk about how busy they are and still have time to spend hours recording and editing videos. When we’re busy at contracting we hardly get a chance to stop to eat, if someone asked me to start making videos they’d probably get driven over.

    But if there are people who want to watch them and that results in them getting big perks then I say fair play to them but they should have to state at the start of every video what products they were provided with for free or at what percentage discount. Otherwise it’s misleading advertising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭emaherx


    What was the machine?

    That sort of advertising is worth more to a small company than a large one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭DBK1


    If I tell you the machine it would be figured out very quick who the YouTuber and company are so I don’t want to.

    They were delighted, as he said a stand at the ploughing would cost an awful lot more than the one free machine cost and if they sold 60-70 units from the ploughing they’d be over the moon with it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands



    The poster.

    There's no market for posters on boards using their position of influence (the poster doesn't have one) to take payment from companies for fake reviews.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I'm not the one who brought up the conversation about conventional advertising, pop up ads on youtube videos. I'm talking about the advertising in video which is veiled as a review.


    As for your comment saying "ah sure we all do it". I've never once looked to get something for free from a company. I may have said "would you throw in X" if I'm buying another product but again, that's completely different from the likes of Adrian who's getting free stuff and then telling everyone else how great it is, which in turn leads people watching like my old man to take this at face value.

    Everything is great when it's free!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,680 ✭✭✭White Clover


    You keep going on about you father being nieve. To be blunt, how is that anyone else's problem other than that of his family? It's a bit much slagging off others so as to protect him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭timple23


    For posters on boards, there is or was anyway. Over on the bargain alerts forum there is an amazon prime thread. People were posting links of "bargains", those links they posted were referral links of sorts (no sure of the correct terminology), so the poster would get a tiny payment in the form of an amazon gift balance for every purchase from the link. Its banned now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭timple23


    I know you don't want to give away too much information. But did the youtuber purchase the machine afterwards (ie put their money where their mouth is)?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    lol so you're defending shysters now?

    I'm sure if your auld lad of 75 had someone knock on the door selling roof repairs and they did a poor job, you wouldn't be happy.

    Not just my auld lad by the way. There was literally a post in this thread a few pages back saying their dad bought a log splitter based on iFarms video.

    If you actually see nothing wrong with reviews given in exchange for freebies then I'd start to think you are benefitting from it yourself..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭emaherx


    So you have or you haven't asked for something for free? Sounds like you have "can you throw in X" is literally asking for something for free, you know something extra that wasn't included in the price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,680 ✭✭✭White Clover


    99% of people including my oul lad can smell bullshit a mile away and are perfectly capable of making up their own mind about the merits of any product. The more praise a product gets, the more scrutiny it gets.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭Suckler


    The salient point in all of this: You don't like it? Don't watch it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭DBK1


    No, there was no money from the youtuber! I’m not sure if they let him keep the machine they sent him, they possibly did but I will find out for sure.

    Either way they viewed it as a good business move due to the sales received afterwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,473 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Nice video from Harry's Farm justifying the spend on the Case combine in comparison with a contractor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭DBK1


    That’s it in a nutshell. I’d have no interest whatsoever in looking at them so I don’t! But they obviously get plenty of people that do have an interest and so they make a few pound or save a few pound on products. Fair play to them, but it probably should be revealed what they receive in return for the reviews for the sake of honesty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I think you're playing dumb now.

    There's a world of difference between getting things for free and buying a product for a substantial amount and asking would they throw in a product of negligible value as part of the deal.

    There's a world of difference between me negotiating a deal and iFarm getting free stuff in exchange for good reviews.

    The business is not selling me a product at a loss with the aim of me spreading word on how great the product is. If a neighbour came to me asking about it I'd be open and transparent and say they did a good deal, threw in this or that etc.

    If you actually think it's the same thing, why was there regulations brought in for facebook/instagram users to state whether they are getting paid to advertise a product?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Shysters should be called out when they're misleading people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Not playing dumb at all,

    You asking for the free item, getting it and then raving about the good deal/service to your neighbor is exactly the same thing, scale is a little smaller, but that would be part of the reason a seller would give you an additional item at a loss.


    What regulations exist for Facebook that don't exist for YouTube? They have same sort of influence.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Speaking of things that are different there is definitely a big difference between someone coming to your door to solicit services such as roof repairs then doing a bad job compared to a YouTuber saying his Krone mower is better than a Kverneland mower, whether or not he got a discount on the Krone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭straight


    Ya, fair bad manners to come on here bad mouthing YouTubers behind their back. I wonder how did pussy's old lad get to 75 while being as naive as he claims. 🤔



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Do you have the same condescending comments when pensioners are scammed of their life savings at the door?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭straight


    Hardly comparable at any level. Just take a break from YouTube I'd say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭emaherx


    At the very worst the YouTuber is possibly giving you bad advice they aren't actually trying to take a pensioners life savings.

    Even if you took them 100% at their word you are not going to just buy a Krone mower based solely on their advice unless you happened to be in the market for a very similar machine. To be fair to the YouTuber they were in the market for a mower found one at the best price they could and made a review based on a relatively short period of time of having it , if they were not fairly happy with it at the end of the day they'd probably try a different manufacturer for similar discounts especially since they had it out on demo to begin with. It's hardly like they were trying to peddle some Micky Mouse brand over premium ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,674 ✭✭✭maidhc


    The YouTube guys are entertaining (to a point anyway), they don’t pretend to be experts or particularly qualified in anyway. If someone likes a product they are using/promoting and is swayed to buy it so be it.

    I like iFarm, he is making a living with a very modest holding. Presumably the YouTube is a reasonable “off farm” income for him, so I don’t see an issue at all. Let’s not all be begrudgers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,102 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    I see Farmer Phil has gone on a holiday to the UK. I hope he actually takes a meaningful amount of time off rather than just a weekend. I really enjoy his videos but can see him badly needing a bit of work life balance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,473 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    I think there is someone from on here putting videos up on YT call 'Part time farmer'. Looks to be in Tipp and runs a few Renaults. No dialogue from what I've seen so far, just machines working.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭timple23




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    I've been watching him. Really tidy Renaults reseeding a steep field latest video. Has some really nice kit. Like the Matbro shovel. There was one of them in Condons machinery in Cork. Only one I ever saw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,473 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    That's the one. I presume that's the Galtees in the distance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭C0N0R


    The lad who makes the tipsy bin was interviewed on a podcast called that great business show a couple of months ago and mentions the reactions he got to his product after ifarmwefarm featured it.



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