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Biden/Harris Presidency Discussion Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,739 ✭✭✭serfboard


    "the Harris scenario is very messy, how do you persuade her to step aside? And if you do, can it really be for a white man?"

    Johnson's father was a Black Nova Scotian, with a small amount of Irish ancestry. His mother is Samoan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,438 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Nobody has to be asked to step aside there is a primary for the choice to be made. Harris being VP doesn’t make her the next nomination.

    I really don’t want to see the Rock going for it as America needs a proper president who knows how politics works. We’ve endured 4 years of nonsense from the White House and America needs to push on from where it is and I doubt an ex wrestler is the man to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I dont watch American news but I gather CNN are going hard on Biden most likely because of Jake Tapper but they arent getting behind any other Democrats. at least it shakes things up a bit

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Opinion piece today in the NY Times that talks about the nonsense from the Democrats in their refusal to use Reconciliation to pass the Voting Rights Act and other pieces of legislation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Plus it points out the fallacy in the line that 'CNN are the same as Fox' when they go full on with their Republican propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I wouldnt agree, CNN was not a proper News network when Trump was in office. Whats changed their minds now who knows, they lost their business model.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Don't agree. They are different ends of the same tail



  • Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah. Her only chance thankfully is if the incumbent dies or is retired



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Indeed the shock from some people on how CNN or MSNBC are actually willing to call out Biden for mistakes when they occur , you know like a real news outlet is quite telling.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,190 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2



    MSNBC is the exact same as Fox. A mouthpiece for their party and their fawning coverage of Biden, Dems has been hilariously over the top. Some of the drivel Joy Reid has said and posted is up their with Jennifer Rubin's ramblings, then of course the "Never Trumpers" who pop up everywhere on the channel whose devotion to Biden is cult like.

    Its an absolute waste of time for anyone bar the partisan loons.

    CNN is different for sure, its clearly leans towards the Dem party and you suspect they are fighting the urge to turn into a lapdog channel like MSNBC but they still have decent journos their especially Tapper who is elite.

    Its such a shame that these networks have to cater for echo chamber twits whether left or right, but sadly that is where the money is now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭BobHopeless


    When American hostages start being beheaded by ISISK or even the Taliban in the next few weeks Biden's already downward heading numbers are going to fall off a cliff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,438 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    It’s amazing where conservatives will draw the line on personal responsibility



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Only ~5000 of the nearly 120,000 people evacuated from Afghanistan over the last few weeks were actually US citizens and according to the State Dept , there are now less than 200 US Citizens remaining in Afghanistan at this point and they are in contact with most of them to assist them if they want to leave.

    As other posters have said , it's not like those guys haven't been given multiple opportunities to leave the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    To mis-quote Kris Kristofferson, "Freedumb's just another word" for selfish stupidity!

    Imagine what it took for those San Diego families to ignore warnings and still brought children to war-torn Afghanistan in July, placing them in such harm's way! Jesus wept!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭pearcider




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,671 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    If you like Biden or hate him, this still stands.


    He is dealing with the double whammy of the pandemic and that everyone believes he intends to be a one term President.

    He'll be occupied by Covid and his party will be occupied by jostling for position for the next Presidential election.


    That's just political reality, his party or opposition do not matter to it. Internal Democratic party battles behind the scenes will be more interesting than anything the opposite do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Once you compared escaping the tragedy in Kabul to a student flit throughout Europe you lost any credibility as a serious point maker here. Just more dross to be scrolled past without much consideraion..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭pearcider


    My point was 6500 is an absolute bargain for extraction from a war zone. My point was you wouldn’t get far anywhere on 6 grand. The only tragedy in this situation is that the Biden administration used Kabul airport instead of Bagram to organise the evacuation and they did this because they’re totally incompetent. Mr Prince is completely correct in his assessment and yet you expect him to work for free because of the tragedy or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,179 ✭✭✭snow scorpion


    SNIP. No memes.

    Post edited by ancapailldorcha on


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  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mark Simone's Twitter feed was perhaps the source, among others such lowlife grifters.

    Simone is known for attracting the more gullible and mentally challenged out there, among other less savory examples of human kind.

    Overall he knows his audience and that they fall for any old crap, such as comparing trumps impeachment letter to Pelosi, to the Gettysburg address.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Much of the hypocrytical Afghanistan-related screeching and sQuaking from GQP Quarters has died down a bit of late. The House gets a chance today to get extract truth from propaganda through Secretary of State Blinken being interviewed by the Foreign Affairs Committee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Seems Gen Milley may have engaged in some light treason leading up to the election. Be interesting to see the response to these reports


    In other news, the Republicans are poised to take control off the FCC because Biden and the Democrats have failed to get off their thumbs to nominate someone to the 5 person council that controls the commission. Something that's easy to overlook, but which would have serious impact on a large swathe of the country. Republicans have worked hard to stymie improvements to internet access and upholding Net Neutrality. It'd be a serious blunder if Biden doesn't sort this out in time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    I see a lot of the Trump supporters on twitter screaming treason over this but you have to ask yourself, exactly how unhinged was Trump after his election loss that Milley felt the need to do what he did?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,940 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Please qualify 'Republicans have worked hard to stymie improvements to internet access and upholding Net Neutrality'



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,343 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    See the FCC order set up in 2017 and open internet order which is still in effect which was set up under Trump's government allowing broadband providers to segregate the speed of service at will (previous to that order they could not slow down any internet service specifically; all were equal).



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I think there is confusion on what AbusesToilets said and how it was written. At first read, it comes off like he said the Republicans were fighting for Net Neutrality; the sentence I think that was meant was that they were stymieing access and attempts to preserve Net Neutrality.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,758 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    His oath is to defend the USA not to obey any and all orders. It’s not treason to disobey an immoral order.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    There also seems more info coming out today saying that Mark Esper as Sec. of Defense was also involved through intermediaries in trying to reassure China during the last days of Trump.

    The feeling was that a combination of poor intel being received from China and the general rhetoric floating around was making China nervous that the US might do something.

    Esper was basically saying to China - "Don't take much heed of anything you might be hearing out there , the US have no intention of doing anything regarding China at the moment" , he also delayed some Troop movements in the region to avoid any potential for misunderstanding.

    So Milley may have been acting under some level of direction from the Secretary of Defense and not going on a solo run - Or at least he was continuing the directions from Esper after Trump fired him in January.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    While I can appreciate the goal of trying to prevent Trump from doing something off the rails, contacting the US's biggest enemy in such a fashion is not acceptable to me. There's a difference between disobeying an order to launch an unwarranted attack, and conducting foreign policy negotiations behind the backs of the Whitehouse. The US military is apolitical, in theory anyways, and Milley has breached that pretty egregiously if these claims are true.


    That's correct, apologies for mealy mouthed sentence there. Ajit Pai, the Trump head of the FCC, worked tirelessly to undermine consumer protections and block efforts to improve access and quality for telecom services.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,993 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I would believe that there has always been a backchannel between the superpowers. What ever happened to the well publicised 'hot line' between the USSR and the USA?

    There were several instances when activity on the hot line was reported in the media. The Cuba missile crisis and the Check Point Charlie stand off are two examples.

    I see nothing wrong with Milley's action.

    Is China the USA's greatest enemy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,190 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2



    Yeah its dire. You should be able to acknowledge Milley did wrong while also acknowledge that Trump was dismal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Is it possible for a serving General to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom side-by-side with the Congressional Medal of Honor?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,157 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Mod: A below standard post and some responses have been removed. Dumping memes and images is not what this forum is for.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,157 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Stop bickering please. Posts deleted.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,157 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Next personal remark will result in a site ban.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,537 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Bearing in mind that we are working off the basis only of the limited information revealed to us thus far, I don't think the situations are equivalent. Those would have been circumstances where decisions had been made, they were followed through by the military, but at the same time there were also efforts to de-escalate the situation. In this case, to my knowledge, no orders were ever issued which would have raised the tension, be they followed or not.

    There is no particular concern with back channel communication as long as policy is not being determined independently. The US and 'rival' countries are known to communicate often, witness the deconfliction efforts over Syria as an example, even whilst ground troops are running each other off the roads. As a result, I think 'treason' is an overly strong word, but it does seem that Milley may have overstepped his bounds (emphasise 'may', it depends on what was actually said) even with good intentions.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,537 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    In theory, yes. The MoH (Not "Congressional"), however, has rather strict criteria involving risk of life so awardees are rare as it is. A general officer being in such a position today is almost unthinkable. The award to MacArthur in WW2 was an aberration I find unlikely to ever being repeated. Even Eisenhower never received anything above a DSM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Telling a Chinese General he would give advanced warning of an attack is not acceptable in any fashion, and if it came to pass in reality, would absolutely be treasonous.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,758 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    He didn’t say that though, he just assured that there was no plan to attack China and he’d give them the nod if this was changing.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Gen Milley is expected to testify before Congress before end of Sept on the Afghanistan withdrawal. I understand that the Woodward revelations will be fully explored as part of that appearance.

    I am happy to await that appearance for fuller exploration of the facts before considering that the General committed treason in any shape or form. In particular, the second alleged call, on January 8th (?) must be seen in the context of the massive confusion that existed following the attempted coup of 2 days eariier. Trump was deranged for months, and was clearly capable of doing all manner of madness by the time that Milley had those conversations in January. I can certainly see how the adults in the room, whether in Congress, at the White House or Pentagon would have felt it necessary to use back-channels to let potential aggressors know that they had nothing to fear from the madmen in the Oval Office. If Milley did make such calls, I thank God he did, and feel sure he did not do it on his own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭zom


    Good side of Biden & Harris winning presidential election is that now we can see America moving back into middle ages and nobody dare to complain - too scared to get immidately muted by global social mass-media. USA are organising men hunts like in old good slavery times and what - everybody is clapping their hands!!




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,537 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Well, they could use batons, tear gas, pepper spray or corral them with jeeps, I guess...



  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭BobHopeless


    Funny the BLM marches have all but disappeared under Biden and Harris presidential term despite scenes of immigrants being whipped by border guards on horses and black men still being shot by police officers in American cities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    The sense of glee coming from your post is quite frightening. I don't think any person in their right mind would find those events at the border to be anything but abhorrent, but I don't think it Can be blamed on Biden /Harris. I do however expect them to put it to the people in the chain that this needs to stop. It's hard to imagine how far the moral standing of the USA has taken in the list few years, but here we are.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭BobHopeless


    No glee, pretty sad you'd think that.

    I find it incredible the lack of coverage in the media here about this tbh. These poor people are been left to live under bridges with no facilities living in their own filth and then whipped like dogs by over zealous border agents when they make a dash for freedom. It's yet another massive failure for the Biden administration



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    "I find it incredible the lack of coverage in the media here about this tbh. These poor people are been left to live under bridges with no facilities living in their own filth"


    And yet I have never seen you post about the refugees in Calais living like that for months on end. It's like you have some sort of agenda and take pleasure in seeing the scenes at the US border.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,671 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    They are horse reins, no whips,no one whipped.


    Leave that outrage nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,671 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Reagan would have left them in.


    Unions bringing pressure on Joe to fly them home. Cracks in the African American vote for the Democrats also driving the flights.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,758 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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