FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

mariaalice · 21-09-2021 5:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117920405#Comment_117920405

I will read it all and see what I think lm a bit wary of experts or anyone who startes a piece with the Government should, posters are giving far too much credit to governments for what happens good or bad Ireland is a fly on the world economic stage.

McMurphy · 21-09-2021 5:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117920368#Comment_117920368

This is gas....I'm not long after posting about people who deliberately try and paint false scenes, or an incorrect narrative, and mark comes up with this.

**Ah right, so because nobody mentioned it in the Leo thread, therefore we are sympathetic homophobes or have an affinity for the far-right**

Where did I post any such suggestion? Should be easy to quote me do so, though obviously not as easy as arguing about something no-one said.

The difference in you and I Mark, is that I wouldn't lower myself to use completely false homophobic accusations to try and further an agenda, or to score points, because I am of the belief doing so devalues the actual homophobic issues the gay community face on a daily basis. Maybe if the far right loons had been wearing Kylie Minogue t-shirts, it might have been enough to get your concerns out of first gear.

21-09-2021 5:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117918728#Comment_117918728

Well FF/FG policy has run the housing/rental market into the ground. On the one hand they are getting very fat taxes from landlords which has formed a substantial bit of the revenue pool, on the other hand they have done nothing to expand this market, some of which could include incentivising landlords by less of a tax-take per rental. But housing policy has been inadequate, there’s little more for potential landlords to buy, and why would anyone want to enter the market. I would fear SF etc policy too even though I’d have a marginally socialist inclination if they focus on rent restrictions; only some more carrot for landlords will work.

markodaly · 21-09-2021 5:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117920092#Comment_117920092

This is a good example of nefarious drive-by posting with no substance or details and can be described as agenda-driven fake news.

The accusation. FG has links with the Far-right. Quick, Google something and paste it in, in the hope no one reads the article themselves.....

So FG are far-right because...

Leo Varadkar as Taoiseach met Victor Orban as per his duties of state........

They were in the same political grouping as FG, the European Peoples Party.......

What some may not know is that the EPP suspended Fidesz (The party of Orban) before the 2019 EU elections. The EPP include parties like Merkels' CDC, Jean-Claude Junckers' CSPP, and Donald Tusk's Civic Platform. All members of the far-right of course!

Oh but some Young FG member went to a Nazi rally? No, it wasn't a Nazi rally it was a conference by the 'Young America's Foundation'. Are they conservative, yes? Far-right? Nope!

As they say, it's easy to lie and create fake news. Fake news can go around the world in a second before the truth gets its boots on. It takes much much more time to debunk fake news and lies, like the post I am referencing than it is to make stuff up. Hence why there is more fake news online than actual real fact-driven news.

Sometimes I take some effort to debunk it, but I don't have all-time in the world that some others have, in spreading it alas.

McMurphy · 21-09-2021 5:09pm

Oh but some Young FG member went to a Nazi rally? No, it wasn't a Nazi rally it was a conference by the 'Young America's Foundation'. Are they conservative, yes? Far-right? Nope!

Who said kfw went to a "nazi party" ?

Honestly now mark, no messing.... Do you believe posting outright lies does you any favours?

Like it doesn't even mention "Nazi rally" in the article I linked to, let alone my post you quoted?

Why must you make my job of deconstructing your absolute lies and scutter so easy?

markodaly · 21-09-2021 5:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117920514#Comment_117920514

The difference?

Tell me the last time I posted and egged on a false story about Leo and a certain government jet?

The fact you bring up Kylie Minogue in an almost religious fashion says it all tbh. It doesn't take too much to read between the lines with the regularity you bring it up in an attempt to humiliate Leo Varadkar.

There are zero points in me continuing this discussion with you as again, we should be talking about Policy not Personalising it.

So..... you go.

Housing is the big one.... talk about it.... a new housing for all plan was released, costing 4 billion over ten years. Good, bad, OK?.... anything to add on that?

What about the energy issues that are going on in Europe and Ireland?

What about the latest Pensions report? Any concerns about that?? Pension age to rise?

Anything? Or do you want to talk about Leo picking his nose?

markodaly · 21-09-2021 5:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117920551#Comment_117920551

You posted the link as an 'example' of FG links with the far right. Neither of which prove or give any credence to the false claim.

Its quite simple, stop posting stuff pretending it means something it doesn't.

edit: The article doesn't mention far-right either.

markodaly · 21-09-2021 5:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117920520#Comment_117920520

Housing is a mess because of decades of mismanagement and the Irish attitude to planning, property and taxes. It really is a societal failure on us, mostly by the older generation that has gone, leaving the younger generation to pick up the pieces.

Everyone wants to fix the housing issue, but no one wants to pay the taxes for it or want new houses or units built next to them. Of course, most people are property owners so they want their house price to remain stable at worst and grow at best. SF thinks that blaming landlords for the issue is a quick fix. It isnt.

McMurphy · 21-09-2021 5:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117920562#Comment_117920562

In case you don't realise it, the Kylie Minogue analogy was brought up because you appeared to be a lot more emotive over people (,I stated repeatedly that I couldn't care a toss who or what he likes musically) that thought Leo's musical tastes were "funny," than far right loonies campaigning outside his home.

Now, painted into an awkward corner of your own making you want to drop it and discuss something else. You're as transparent as crystal.

Tell me the last time I posted and egged on a false story about Leo and a certain government jet?

Yeah because Leo on the government jet story's are ten a penny, you're referring to a story that was breaking on twitter that ultimately was false. As sometimes can happen when story's are still breaking.

But since you are asking questions about the last time you posted to an egg on face story....you weren't long abandoning your thread about female TDs being sexually harassed when it was A, pointed out to you that their political role or outlook had the square root of nothing to do with their sexual harassment, and B, Green TD Leddin being embroiled in misogynistic actions against a female member of his party.

You see the way I don't need to twist words or outright lie to make my points mark? Take note.

McMurphy · 21-09-2021 5:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117920571#Comment_117920571

**You posted the link as an 'example' of FG links with the far right. Neither of which prove or give any credence to the false claim.**

I did, and wouldn't it be easier to deal with what I posted, rather than some invention of your own, you might as well suggested I said swinger party as Nazi party FFS.

edit: The article doesn't mention far-right either.

Yes it does.

Shebean · 21-09-2021 6:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117920505#Comment_117920505

In this case the common belief, by everyone, experts in the field, housing bodies and other parties, outside of FF/FG/Green is that copying the UK model that failed will lead to failure. I've yet to see anyone blame the government for what happens outside of Ireland, I was talking about their bad policy.

Shebean · 21-09-2021 6:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117920586#Comment_117920586

Yet FF/FG/Green follow the same policies that created and exacerbated the housing crisis. Time for a change.

titan18 · 21-09-2021 6:28pm

"We need to balance that one person's rent is another person's income."

If SF don't hammer that line home over and over again, I'd be surprised. Absolutely moronic statement for him with the housing/rental crisis that's happening.

Shebean · 21-09-2021 7:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117920869#Comment_117920869

I'm starting to believe he's a list of bullet points and he wings it, poorly, for the filler. No way can all those advisers be so awful.

Always shows detachment from working people with thinking like that. We are to work for low wages to help business, we are to not receive redundancy, to help business and if rents are high, remember, that's someone else's profit, which takes the sting out I'm sure.

awec · 21-09-2021 7:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117920869#Comment_117920869

It's only moronic to those who don't really understand what he is saying. Ireland needs landlords.

titan18 · 21-09-2021 7:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117921012#Comment_117921012

Ireland doesn't need people to be paying 40-50% of their wages on rent though.

awec · 21-09-2021 7:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117921036#Comment_117921036

Indeed, and reducing the number of rental properties is going to make that worse, not better.

When landlords sell up because they can no longer afford to keep their property it is not the person stacking shelves on a zero hour contract that benefits from it.

blanch152 · 21-09-2021 7:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117920234#Comment_117920234

In Irish politics, I would clump the National Party and Aontu of the far right much much closer to SF than to any of the mainstream parties.

titan18 · 21-09-2021 8:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117921043#Comment_117921043

Tbf, if a landlord can't afford to keep a property on the rental income ATM, they probably don't deserve to be a landlord as they're clearly wasting money.

I think the system needs to be better (the gap in taxation between REITs and normal landlords is ridiculous, and landlords have very little protection) but the rental cost just continuing to rise like it has isn't the way to make it better imo.

blanch152 · 21-09-2021 8:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117920774#Comment_117920774

So because an alumni of an organisation (i.e. a person who left and grew up into something else) is allegedly far right, then FG are far right because one of their youth members attended something to do with that organisation.

What a stretch.

Shebean · 21-09-2021 8:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117921043#Comment_117921043

When the person stacking shelves can't afford to pay the rent, it's the tax payer picks up the slack, rather than the landlord having to lower it to meet the actual market. But we must remember that's his profit, so fairs fair like 😜

Shebean · 21-09-2021 8:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117921101#Comment_117921101

SF are more main stream than Fine Gael, going by popularity among the electorate. Do you imagine the youth defense crowd back in the day were shinners or YFG? FF/FG didn't maintain power during the decades of mother and baby homes by giving out to the church. I don't remember them telling the church gay people have rights too. You don't seem to accept the history, recent history of FF/FG. FG had at least one vocal antisemite in the Dail as recent as the 1960's ffs.

skimpydoo · 21-09-2021 8:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117921292#Comment_117921292

Ah Flanaghan's Da.

markodaly · 22-09-2021 1:21am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117920651#Comment_117920651

A typical reply.

Kylie Minogue - check

Banal talk about the far-right - check

Personal digs - check

Leo living rent-free - check

Drags the other threads about sexual harassment into this - check

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Housing policy - nope

Energy policy -nope

Anything about policy - nope

It seems some people just want to WIN with a 'Gotcha' for the sake of it.

markodaly · 22-09-2021 1:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117920844#Comment_117920844

The housing for all plan is not the same policy as before. SF may think they have some silver bullet to fix it, but they dont. See their record in the North for example.

David McWilliams did a good podcast on this.

Is the plan perfect? No, of course not. But by his estimation, it is a good plan.

What he points to in Ireland is that we forever talk about trying to get the 'perfect' plan so we talk and talk and talk, meanwhile nothing gets built.

Don't let the perfect become hostage to good.

markodaly · 22-09-2021 1:27am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117921256#Comment_117921256

There won't be a reply to this, because the article rocked up in their google search and it was quickly and clumsily posted as

"I hAvE eViDeNcE tHaT fG aRe FaR-rIgHt!"

Similar to the EPP issue with Orban.

Facts eh! Who needs them

lawred2 · 22-09-2021 7:01am

So FF are back in their goto place whenever they feel uncomfortable.. seeking to buy off the old vote with pension bumps.

orecir · 22-09-2021 7:58am

Housing is still the straw that will break the camels back and bring about a SF led government.

Shocking to see how clueless the government parties are with regards housing and trying to prevent rent increases.

Cluedo Monopoly · 22-09-2021 10:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117922380#Comment_117922380

Housing will be a major problem for this government come election time. The housing plan is already forgotten and few have faith in it.

The students returning to 3rd level have again highlighted the availability issues and high rents. The vacant property tax should be brought in immediately but the government are saying sometime next year. No rush it seems.

Floppybits · 22-09-2021 10:21am

Listening to Claire Byrne now and the Myca issue could be the issue to bring this government down. The October 8th protest could be interesting unless this can be fixed before them.

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