US and UK to now furnish Australia with nuclear submarines.

As cool as I think these subs are, you would have to think its a waste of money. If history teaches us anything its that arms races are a huge waste of resources that could be better invested in quality of life.

Yeah look at Ukraine ,

Under foreign occupation and sovereign territory annexed illegally ,all because people were afraid to stand up to putin ,the same applies to China they are building a massive offensive military ,this isn't about defence ,china sees its self at the only player on the world stage ,

Again, I'm not defending China's actions in that region, I'm saying that just like Ukraine I think the West will do nothing if China decides to move on Taiwan.

If China invaded today, and landed thousands of troops on Taiwan, what do you see happening?

This isn't iraq/Kuwait where a coalition of governments would come together and drive the invaders out. This is (wether you like it or not) a nuclear armed superpower with a massive military.

Do you envision troops on the ground fighting them until they leave?

Why would it be naval though, China could land 10,000 troops on Taiwan tomorrow with minimal fuss and minimal loss, once that beachhead is established and while the world wakes up to what's happened they would then move another 10/20,000 troops with artillary, troop carriers and tanks.

By the time the US fleet or the Aus navy arrive the chines will have pulled thier boats back to Chinese waters. Now how do you deal with that situation?

You can have all the aircraft carriers you want circling Taiwan but unless you are willing to put boots on the ground to remove the soldiers already there then your carriers are worthless.

Any war games I've read about a possible invasion of Taiwan would involve the airforce trying to knock out Taiwan's defenses first before any navel or amphibious action. That may take a few days and would give the Americans and others time to counter any amphibious assault. For all, we know there could be half a dozen American nuclear attack subs stationed in the South China sea at all times, just in case.... What we do know is that there is an American Carrier Strike Group permanently stationed in Japan that patrols these waters.

Just this weak they had another Carrier strike group doing exercises in the South China Sea.

Put it this way, they won't have to set sail from San Diego or Hawaii, the Americans will either be in the region or very close by if the **** hits the fan.

On China itself, they have precious few allies in the region and the CCP know this. Who do they have in their corner? Myanmar, under a military coup? North Korea? That is about it.

The Americans on the other hand have Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, Thailand, Australia, New Zealand and don't forget India who themselves are a nuclear power and have had run-ins with China the past year. Even the Vietnamese can't stand the Chinese and would back the Americans if it came to it.

Also, invading Taiwan is high stakes for the CCP. If they get it wrong and are defeated in some way, then it could very well be the end of them.

Australia currently has subs. There is a rather nice Yt video of them engaged in exercises with the Amircans when they were supposed to try and get close to a US destroyer:

The last bit is amusing.

Subs or not, the invasion of Taiwan would be extremely prohibitive. The country(in its current guise) has spent its entire existence fortifying and preparing for invasion. Receiving cutting edge tech and training for years. I'd say it would be a horrifying mess.

The Chinese are better off wearing them down and using soft power and economic stimulus to bring the political change in Taiwan that they want. Militarily it would be a tragedy to invade.

It would be the worst decision since Napoleon invaded Russia. THe most likely thing to happen would be a revolution in mainland china