Womens' rugby Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

molloyjh · 15-09-2021 10:38am

Gotta love a good blame game.

There was only 1 yellow btw. Spain were shown 1 too.

I didn’t get to see much of it, but what I did see looked a bit of a mess. Lots of unforced errors on both sides. But I also thought the ref added to that too. She was blowing penalties for offside at kicks without playing any advantage. She was also very inconsistent at the ruck too. At one point Monaghan was pinged for going off her feet at the ruck, but she had latched onto the ball carrier and never released the carrier or collapsed onto her. It was in a prime attacking position and it gave Spain a lifeline. Yet I lost count after that of the number of times the exact same action occurred without being penalised.

Spain looked a lot more organised than I had expected. I wonder if this shows where Wales, Scotland and Italy are at in some ways too. Spain seemed a lot better than certainly the Welsh or Scottish. Ireland had very little space to work or time on the ball.

connemara man · 15-09-2021 10:58am

I'll be honest Spain were my biggest worry of the three teams as an unknown entity they had the ability to come in and give a shock and well they were putting in better performances before the 6 nations got rejigged to align with the men's.

They had a chip on their shoulder and a point to prove

Ireland weren't nearly clinical enough but a lot of times it looked like we didn't know what to do at times.

Core skills were a let down catch pass especially. Because bit was an issue during the 6 nations and you'd think as it was something obvious to us on the outside that, that would have improved.

Parsons and Murphy-Crowe didn't get on the ball nearly enough and they are game breakers our attacking gameplan shou revolve around getting them involved.

And there were times we needed to just go through 2 or 3 phases of bgood pod work in the Spanish 22 and we would have had them beat but game management was severely lacking. Flood needs a Nicole Cronin type at 9 to make up for her lack of 15s experience

Larbre34 · 15-09-2021 11:51pm

We can debate it here till the cows come home, but take a look at Off The Ball on Youtube interview with Fiona Coghlan, Niamh Briggs and Ali Miller.

Coghlan in particular was absolutely furious. And all of them were suggesting it didn't look like the Irish side had actually trained in months. They questioned whether low standards were being tolerated by the coaches in training, so low were the skill levels. They eviscerated Considine for shooting out of the line for the Spanish try, said you wouldn't see it on an underage club pitch. One of them suggested, that quite apart from the result, it was the worst actual performance by an Ireland senior women's side in many years.

Now, they have enough experience of the environment to be taken very seriously when they say this stuff. So, the question is, what is Griggs presiding over? Has the personal training and network of excellence and elite women's development broken down at local level? Is Anthony Eddy supervising this whole effort and is he satisfied with the standards and the cohesion?

Cos something is seriously wrong and perhaps the best thing that could happen now is to miss out on qualification from this tournament, bin the coaching staff entirely and appoint a team of suitable domestic coaches to develop a simple but effective strategy to qualify at the final Repechage in December and then tackle a serious rebuild for the 6N.

sydthebeat · 16-09-2021 11:43am

^

this 100%

Lost Ormond · 18-09-2021 11:39am

4 changes to team

15. Eimear Considine (UL Bohemian/Munster)(19)

14. Amee-Leigh Murphy Crowe (Railway Union/Munster)(3)

13. Eve Higgins (Railway Union/Leinster)(3)

12. Sene Naoupu (Old Belvedere/Leinster)(42)

11. Beibhinn Parsons (Ballinasloe/Blackrock College/Connacht)(12)

10. Stacey Flood (Railway Union/Leinster)(4)

9. Kathryn Dane (Old Belvedere/Ulster)(14)

1. Laura Feely (Blackrock College/Connacht)(20)

2. Cliodhna Moloney (Wasps/IQ Rugby)(27)

3. Linda Djougang (Old Belvedere/Leinster)(13)

4. Nichola Fryday (Blackrock College/Connacht)(19)

5. Sam Monaghan (Wasps/IQ Rugby)(1)

6. Dorothy Wall (Blackrock College/Munster)(8)

7. Edel McMahon (Wasps/IQ Rugby)(10)

8. Ciara Griffin (UL Bohemian/Munster)(Captain)(37)

Replacements:

16. Neve Jones (Malone/Ulster)(4)

17. Lindsay Peat (Railway Union/Leinster)(35)

18. Leah Lyons (Sale/IQ Rugby)(27)

19. Brittany Hogan (DCU/Old Belvedere/Ulster)(5)

20. Claire Molloy (Wasps/IQ Rugby)(71)

21. Emily Lane (Blackrock College/Munster)(4)

22. Enya Breen (UL Bohemian/Munster)(7)

23. Lauren Delany (Sale Sharks/IQ Rugby)(15).

irelandrover · 19-09-2021 12:05pm

What channel is this shown on?

sydthebeat · 19-09-2021 12:16pm

Screenshot_2021-09-19-12-13-04-676_com.ultimaterugby.jpg

See above

sydthebeat · 19-09-2021 12:40pm

It's also on the rte player if you are into sado-masochism

Lost Ormond · 19-09-2021 6:53pm

Missed game as at my own.

Scotland beat Spain 27-22

We're second behind Italy ahead of next week. At least Spain Italy is on before the game against Scotland so we'll know exactly what we need to qualify

Caranica · 19-09-2021 7:02pm

Scotland beat Spain 27-22?

Lost Ormond · 19-09-2021 7:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117912338#Comment_117912338

edited my post. thanks. saw that result somewhere..

How many tries in how many irish caps is that now for Parsons??

Larbre34 · 20-09-2021 10:16pm

I think it works out as 8 tries in 14 caps.

Akrasia · 21-09-2021 12:17am

i watched the Scotland v Spain match. Spain played really well and could well give Italy a run for their money this weekend

entertaining match too

phog · 21-09-2021 8:59am

So, what have Ireland to do to top the group? I know some of it depends on the earlier game Italy v Spain but what do who do we want to see win that game and what are the best results we can hope for?

connemara man · 21-09-2021 9:29am

Ideally a draw

But an Italy win by 1 point without a TBP

Just incase it goes to head to head not points difference

And it's quite odd that no one knows and it's being reported differently everywhere

If Italy wins with a TBP we have to do the same but win by more than 11 points

If Spain win with a TBP we'll need to do the same

If either win without a TBP we need to win with one to guarantee top spot

phog · 21-09-2021 1:54pm

Saw it being suggested on Twitter that RTE will actually broadcast the Ire v Scotland game this weekend.

bluedex · 23-09-2021 9:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888857#Comment_117888857

Yeah, yeah, just a persons opinion. No need to get your knickers in a twist ;)

arsebiscuits1 · 23-09-2021 10:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117927713#Comment_117927713

My knickers are firmly untwisted. The lacey stuff tends to not bunch as bad as the others.

I'm also noticing a real silence here this week. People were more than happy to come out of the woodwork completely lumping responsibility on everyone except the girls when they lost.

But not a single comment on what was a good win with attitude and heart where the staff and players clearly identified areas to work on and did so.

Far from a finished product but a step in the right direction. The Italians identified our attacking breakdown as a source of disruption and did so tremendously well.

bluedex · 23-09-2021 10:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117927940#Comment_117927940

Okey dokey.

Yeah they were better alright, but still room for improvement.

Caranica · 23-09-2021 1:46pm

Scrum was a lot better but lineout needs work.

Selection will be interesting, a few big calls to be made.

irelandrover · 25-09-2021 1:25pm

So if Spain win today with a bonus they qualify, if they win without a bonus then Ireland need a bonus point win, and if Italy win then Ireland just need to match their result. Is that correct?

Lost Ormond · 25-09-2021 2:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117937256#Comment_117937256

Yes. the tie breaker is as follows: the result of the fixture between the two teams, points difference, tries difference, most points scored, most tries scored, a coin toss.

So we want a draw or a win without a bonus point in the first game and then us to win with bonus as an uncomplicated way of deciding things. If Spain win with a bonus we can only finish second. if Spain win with a bonus they qualify unless scotland were also to win with a bonus point

Lost Ormond · 25-09-2021 4:13pm

Italy won 34-10 so Ireland need bonus point win to qualify automatically. Any win gets us into repechage

Hippo · 25-09-2021 7:00pm

Incredibly disappointing, the performance just wasn't there

Denny61 · 25-09-2021 7:12pm

I've never seen such crap rubbish rugby by the irish .they beat Italy last day who were supposed to be the weakest. Yet Italy go on and beat the Spanish by a landslide .I'm glad our country out of it as we be torn to sheds by the big guns in our group in the world Cup..Spare us the embarrassment. Any way I'd never watch it...has irish international sports ever been as bad.mens rugby..women rugby..athletics ..golf. soccer..we should wind all these sports and funnel the money in the one or two sports we good at..rowing..boxing...any thing else is absolutely embarrassing to watch ..and no pleasure from.it

fullstop · 25-09-2021 8:05pm

Letting her in nearly behind the posts for that last try was really poor. They should have been doing everything to stop her getting across but they all just gave up when they knew she’d score.

Lost Ormond · 26-09-2021 12:02am

Didnt see game as at work but very disappointing. Hopefully not making world cup can be a wake up call and we can get some proper changes to the structure of the womens game at all levels to ensure this doesnt happen again

Larbre34 · 26-09-2021 12:50am

So undercooked it was criminal. Griggs should be sacked forthwith, he has overseen a shambles in his tenure.

Caranica · 26-09-2021 1:10am

Shocking, unforgivable, inexplicable.

sydthebeat · 26-09-2021 9:06am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940149#Comment_117940149

Griggs and eddy both should be given their p45s immediately.

There needs to be major structural changes at the highest levels of women's rugby and the link between national level and AIL needs to be developed.

There also needs to be less of a cannibalism at AIL where the win at all costs attitude is killing the game by allowing players to be tapped up to move to the few "big teams"

Lost Ormond · 26-09-2021 1:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940511#Comment_117940511

Totally agree. The structural changes need to happen at all levels of the game not simply the highest levels. Totally agree about link between national level and AIL

The top players are concentrated in far too few clubs.

Bohs and few other clubs hoover up far too many players which means theyre very strong but the rest are not. Dublin isnt too bad as at least top players are spread across 3/4 clubs but elsewhere the talent is just overloaded in a small number of clubs

Larbre34 · 26-09-2021 1:45pm

100%.

Hearing Niamh Briggs describe last week about how the local management and integration of regionally based players has basically collapsed was shocking. International players turning up in ones and twos at Club training asking to be accommodated is a damning indictment of Anthony Eddy in particular. They clearly haven't been communicating or working off a clear programme for the Covid period, which we should remember Italy and Scotland and Spain all lived through as well. Our women's management have no excuses.

There is no question that the 7s programme has gone very well, but having the oversight merged with Womens XVs is clearly a disaster and David Nucifora's successor must have direct management responsibility for both, with two different programme managers under him for each stream.

cgq300 · 26-09-2021 11:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940511#Comment_117940511

Spot on

Lost Ormond · 27-09-2021 5:47pm

The Bantry Bay rfc twitter thread which has got a bit of attention today for anyone who hadnt seen it

https://twitter.com/Bantry_Rugby/status/1442426637056937985

sydthebeat · 27-09-2021 6:04pm

Saw that today, I can't get my head around it.

Is it actually the case that munster youths have a SEPARATE committee for running girls youths??

If so, why?

In leinster it's the one committee, and everyone has the same game rules

I think there may be more to this than we are seeing.

Lost Ormond · 27-09-2021 7:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117946596#Comment_117946596

In Munster they have a girls, youths and schools committees. The girls have slight variances in laws around reduced numbers and there is other differences as well. some games played only to 5m line not full touchline. thats in Leinster as well as Munster so everyone doesnt have same game rules.

28-09-2021 8:49am

If I were in the hockey sphere I would be all over this trying to grab talented athletes being cast aside by rugby. A sport where the women are at the pinnacle of a global sport.

This country has a horrid habit of assuming, just because a men's elite structure exists, that the women's game should automatically succeed.

Women's rugby needs to be nurtured from the ground up but there seems to be no leadership at all or drive to push on. Looking at some of my previous clubs, who had strong women's teams, they've slipped back to not fielding teams.

At general club level it looks the same as the late 1990s, in terms of structure at some clubs.

Eod100 · 14-10-2021 5:18pm

Kick offs confirmed for Ireland's November series. Ireland v USA, Friday 12th November, 7.15pm. Ireland v Japan, Saturday 20th November, 3pm

https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1448682726434000897?t=Hec-19Bods0KMzO4oJkj2g&s=19

Lost Ormond · 20-10-2021 5:07pm

IRFU have put up some info about review theyve been carrying out looking at the womens game

https://www.irishrugby.ie/2021/10/20/irfu-update-on-womens-rugby-reviews/

Caranica · 20-10-2021 9:09pm

Good news I think!

Lost Ormond · 20-10-2021 9:15pm

very good news. he did great work with womens team before and has been in states for a while and done a lot of good there as well

Larbre34 · 21-10-2021 1:23am

Assistant Coach to 'Goose' Doyle in the golden years and has come back with significant additional experience.

A good day overall for the Women's game in Ireland methinks, though it does feel a bit like starting again from scratch in many ways.

The involvement of Amanda Bennett is particularly significant, shes a very serious operator in everything she has done.

Lost Ormond · 22-10-2021 12:11pm

November games to be played in RDS

US game to be shown on RTE player, Japan on RTE2

https://www.irishrugby.ie/2021/10/22/ireland-women-to-play-autumn-tests-at-rds/

Hopefully we can get more internationals played outside Dublin in time. Shame to have so few and nearly all in Dublin...

Larbre34 · 22-10-2021 3:17pm

The national team plays in the capital, which is fair enough.

I've always thought the RDS would be a much better venue for the women's tests than Donnybrook, its a much more fan friendly location and should draw a much bigger crowd, especially of younger fans. Hope it goes well for them and becomes permanent in time.

22-10-2021 3:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118058317#Comment_118058317

The U20 team played their home 6 Nations games in Cork in 2019 & 2020 and it was a great success.

Venues like Musgrave Park, The Sportsground and the RDS would be ideal to play the Women's games in.

Lost Ormond · 22-10-2021 3:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118058317#Comment_118058317

Senior national side does and Aviva deal means they cant play outside of there but more of the other games should be played outside of Dublin. Would Womens team get enough attending games to warrant full time move to RDS. Big difference between a 6000 and 18000 capacity venue. Would RDS really draw more younger people to go than Donnybrook?

Caranica · 09-11-2021 2:29pm

It looks like Anthony Eddy has shot himself in the foot with his recent interview. Universal uproar, lots of former players coming out about it but the current players know there will be retribution if they speak up.

https://twitter.com/jennymurphy045/status/1458005575837552642?t=hH4EtOS1RVFfJqC0Uy58Ig&s=19

sydthebeat · 09-11-2021 3:41pm

yes, it as a disaster of an interview... Eddy comes across as not being capable for his remit at all.

the review should include his sacking imho

Caranica · 09-11-2021 4:45pm

I stand corrected, bravo Cliodhna Moloney, it takes some courage to come out while still playing and currently in Ireland camp 👏

https://twitter.com/cmoloney3/status/1458054973204353025?t=xV0GBJEZb9sN3T--beQCIQ&s=19

Larbre34 · 09-11-2021 4:51pm

Absolutely should get shown the door. Pathetic. And it shouldn't be dependent on the review, he should be sacked this week.

*Current* player Cliodhna Maloney has also accused him of spreading slurry!

In fairness to the Union, they have begun rectifying the situation with the women's XVs with the appointment of Greg McWilliams and also bringing Aiden McNulty of Ulster in to head the Women's 7's.

Its now time for Nucifora and Eddy to go and be replaced with two of the many experienced Irish sporting directors and strategists we are fortunate to have.

For example, Gary Keegan has already consulted under Andy Farrell's regime. Imagine him as director of high performance?!

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