Taxi drivers not accepting card payment

neris · 22-09-2021 12:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117910194#Comment_117910194

At busy times the drivers dont want to accept jobs off the App because they have to pay 20% of the fare to mytaxi/freenow when its paid by card. If you order the taxi and put in that payment will be by cash theres a better chance they,ll take the job

Seve OB · 22-09-2021 12:51pm

A lot of drivers do actually accept card payment

you will find that most drivers associated with traditional firms will have some sort of in vehicle card payment option such as chip & pin or sum up etc.

there was a law to be introduced last year that all taxis in the state had to provide an card payment option, however with covid, this may have been delayed.

of course, i know some drivers prefer not to use it and sometimes will tell you their machine is broken or whatever. once the law is in place, i don't believe that they can use that excuse,

Turquoise Hexagon Sun · 22-09-2021 12:55pm

I didn't think this was an issue. Last two Taxi's I got in had a card reader and I was able to pay, no problem

Relax brah · 22-09-2021 1:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117923449#Comment_117923449

Interesting and very overdue.

Ultimately for the sake of the industry it’s the right thing to introduce. If they can’t make money legitimately and need to commit fraud than maybe they should just look to change career.

This is the same every other profession, taxi drivers shouldn’t get an exception. It’s fraud and breaking the law at the end of the day

Tony EH · 22-09-2021 1:53pm

It's an issue in as much that you'll never know if they will or not. The next two taxis you get may not accept cards.

Turquoise Hexagon Sun · 22-09-2021 2:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117923732#Comment_117923732

OK, fair point. So you think paying by card should be standard for any taxi? I agree. But surely the market will sort that out. When there is demand enough for card payments over cash, surely a quick "do you accept cards?" will suffice before you get in a taxi. If they don't, they will lose potential fares and it will be in their interest to accept card payments.

I think we're still just in a crossover period. It's not going to change overnight. But any Taxi driver worth their salt will have card facilities, IMO.

Tony EH · 22-09-2021 2:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117923973#Comment_117923973

Um, well no I didn't say that I think paying by card should be the "standard". Where possible I'll use cash if I can for most things, especially a taxi. I don't trust that apps aren't taking their hidden cut etc that I only find out about a few days after. But in the case of taxis, if I know I'm going to be needing one, I'll have cash in my pocket. So whether they have a card or not doesn't affect me. But for people who want to use a card, it would be good for them if there was some sort of consistency.

timmyntc · 22-09-2021 2:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117923731#Comment_117923731

Taxation is theft though - taxi drivers taking cash only is just and fair

trellheim · 22-09-2021 2:48pm

No legal requirement for taxi men to take cards.

In Dublin, the one recent and welcome exception is Dublin Airport where DAA now make it a condition for an airport pickup permit to have a card machine.

If you wanted "consistency" I'd recommend you take the adage to heart "no one will turn down the cash"

BraveDonut · 22-09-2021 4:26pm

Leaving the house for Sunday lunch, I order a taxi from the local company and they charge a flat 10 euro fare for all local trips - cash only.

Using free now for the home trip costs up to 17 euro.

Easy decision to make

Seve OB · 22-09-2021 5:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117924180#Comment_117924180

Cop on will ya

Spook_ie · 22-09-2021 6:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117923449#Comment_117923449

When you rely on mobile internet there will always be times when it doesn't provide coverage.

Spook_ie · 23-09-2021 10:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117924760#Comment_117924760

Question is do they have the meter running? If not then that is likely to be tax avoidance as there is no record on the meter

B.A._Baracus · 23-09-2021 12:00pm

From reading the op's replies it, as Del Boy would say, gives my arse a headache.

Now op, you were told in post 2 what the craic was with cash only. It's a fiddle. Now you can keep getting back moaning and saying things like how "wrong" it is, the industry needs to wake up, fraud and why why why. All you will be doing is making yourself sound wet behind the ears more so.

Because as others have said this is a first world problem.

Spook_ie · 23-09-2021 12:10pm

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Michael Barry might disagree about there being no records

Relax brah · 23-09-2021 1:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117928356#Comment_117928356

Idiotic mentality if I’m honest.

As a tax payer myself, I am well within my rights to be annoyed at people who blatantly get away with not paying it. It’s fraud and the “first world problem” excuse is not a reason to turn a blind eye to it.

B.A._Baracus · 23-09-2021 1:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117928674#Comment_117928674

Idiotic mentality?

OK mate. You keep on living in your bubble.

Relax brah · 23-09-2021 1:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117928733#Comment_117928733

turning a blind eye to something because you personally consider it to be “first world problems,” is completely subjective (if you know what that word even means.)

You could apply the same logic to any issue, hence, it’s a completely idiotic mentality, mate.

B.A._Baracus · 23-09-2021 3:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117928812#Comment_117928812

Lol. Get a life.

BraveDonut · 23-09-2021 3:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117927871#Comment_117927871

Yes - I am aware that it is tax avoidance.

My point is a 70% difference in price forces the customer to make a choice on which option to take

Seve OB · 24-09-2021 12:35pm

there is absolutely nothing wrong with tax avoidance

ohnonotgmail · 24-09-2021 2:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117932881#Comment_117932881

doing a job for cash and not declaring it is tax evasion not tax avoidance. there is something wrong with that.

Tony EH · 24-09-2021 2:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117932881#Comment_117932881

Except in this case it's tax evasion.

mgbgt1978 · 24-09-2021 2:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117923355#Comment_117923355

It's 15% commission regardless of the payment method.

The Driver is not made aware of the payment method until they have picked up the passenger and clicked the "passenger on board" button.

B.A._Baracus · 24-09-2021 3:03pm

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117933474#Comment_117933474

It's a grey area I find. Of course on the surface you can say it is wrong as it's not legal. Yet so many do it. In so many industries.

But I class it as one of those things in life where it depends on what side of the coin you are on. By that I mean "I gain" or "I don't gain". A person can say how it's wrong and no-one should do it but would have no issue when they are presented with earning on a nixer. Suddenly that's different. Sure, everyone is at it, right?

Then there are also those who say it's wrong but are complicit with it. Ever deal with a tradesmen and who only takes cash and gives no receipt? that's a total nixer. Sure ever get a takeaway delivered to your door? that's also a nixer! (Dominos hire drivers I hear tho)

People fiddle and you can't be too honest on this earth. That's not a total excuse to be an absolute rogue. But you can't play everything straight either. That's a smuck.

Tony EH · 24-09-2021 3:08pm

Nonsense. There is no "grey area". Something is either something or it's not. And in this case we're talking about tax evasion. Not tax avoidance. They're not getting their accountant to write off the tax with some clever number crunching. They're just not declaring it in the first place.

And that doesn't change irrespective of the fact that other people do it.

ohnonotgmail · 24-09-2021 3:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117933743#Comment_117933743

it is not a grey area. Not declaring income is illegal. it couldn't be more black and white.

Strumms · 24-09-2021 3:20pm

I’m not sure of the regulations but the taxi vehicle should not be considered in a roadworthy condition as a taxi unless it has a working card machine and printable receipts... lots of companies now won’t accept a handwritten and barely legible receipt as proof of expenses.. rightly too...

keep enough receipt rolls in the car and the receipt machine in good order,

B.A._Baracus · 24-09-2021 3:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117933769#Comment_117933769

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117933780#Comment_117933780

A moral "grey area" yes. That being defined by personally hearing people say how not paying tax (evasion, as tony says) is wrong but then gladly doing nixers themselves later. If not grey area then what?

Come on lads, now. I opened up my post with "It's a grey area I find. Of course on the surface you can say it is wrong as it's not legal. Yet so many do it. In so many industries." - I even mentioned legal. I then go on to describe personal gain and those who are complicit with it. Yet you two "rabble rabble illegal"

F*ck me. I have to stop using boards.

Tony EH · 24-09-2021 4:08pm

No. There is no "grey area" here. It's tax evasion full stop. It's the non declaration of taxable income. It doesn't matter who else is doing it and you saying that "many do it" doesn't make any less black and white.

Also, instead of stopping using Boards, perhaps just understand when you've made a mistake of logic and accept it? It's not that difficult.

Taxi drivers not accepting card payment

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