What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Twist it all you want, the statement "Most Irish people want the State to take in more than 230 Afghan refugees" from the poll is correct.

27% said 230 is the right number of refugees to take in. 53% want to take in more refugees (34% + 19%). Only 16% said that they wanted less than 230 refugees or none (8% + 8%).

Ah yes the law will save us.

Then again it mightn't, as in the case of thousands of young white girls from working class areas in Britain that were sexually used and abused because the laws were simply ignored by authorities lest they antagonise people of a certain religious persuasion and from certain areas of the world.

And please don't give us some guff about the catholic church or vast majority of abuse carried out by relatives in response.

We are tired of whataboutery being used as an excuse and defense.

The shyte trotted out by some in defense of the actions of adherents of a certain religion throughout Europe in the last couple of decades.

We have someone conflating the murder of someone in a drunken brawl with the preplanned premeditated savage murders of totally innocent people simply because of their race and non religion.

The fooking shyte about dead is dead and murder is murder is frankly disgusting, and ranks up there with the muppets in the past claiming terrorist attacks with trucks was equivalent to bus or train crashes.

Then we get some shyte added in about how all relegions are bad when every dog in the street knows which one today has members slaughtering others in the name of that religion.

No wonder some trott out the line everytime there is another attack that it must be the amish at it again.

And then there is the other old chestnut dragged up in response to the accusation that majority muslim countries are backwards despotic shyteholes in the main.

Yes we have a few majority muslim countries that have some form of secular rule, but really when you delve down into those countries you find that more conservative islamic political movements are on the rise, fundamentalism is on the rise and that the liberal secularism we are told about doesn't or hasn't always existed outside the major more westernised urban areas.

bubblypop has experience of European islamic majority countries, but they must surely have to acknowledge the spread of more hardcore islam into this countries in the last couple of decades.

I think you're looking at this in the wrong way. Indeed the majority is in support but that support usually means that they have nothing against it, not that they want it, whereas the ones against are really against.

As statisticians fallacies go, tbh the interpretative narrative of the poll results by the journal IS stretching well beyond what the poll actually represents. On the specific question about whether someone believes a person is racist if they wish to control immigration, it was the squeaky wheels who were of the opinion that a person who holds such views is racist -

Solidarity and PBP supporters. No surprise there.

From the way the poll was conducted, it does appear to have been conducted in the same way YouGov in the UK does their poll weighting along political and geographic lines, given that of the 5,000 people invited to participate in the survey, 1,000 respondents were chosen as being representative of Irish society as a whole. It appears as though the inputs were manipulated to produce the output that those commissioning the survey wanted, and the journal did the rest of the heavy lifting in it’s interpretation of the results of the poll.

Your own interpretation of the journals interpretation only increases the inaccurate representation of the opinions of people in Irish society regarding immigration control and in particular their views on the Government’s response to taking in refugees from Afghanistan.

You’re forgiven for interpreting the results of the poll in such a way as supports your opinions, I’m certainly not going to beat you over the head with it, but the poll itself is not representative of Irish society when they cherry picked the participants in order to present a narrative which doesn’t represent Irish society as a whole, but is rather based upon the characteristics which suited the commissioners of the survey. In short, the poll and it’s various interpretations is simply a demonstration of selection bias in action, and quite obviously as much.

EDIT: Unsurprisingly btw, from the same people who brought you the classic -

What is an 'affordable home'? Most people put the price at between €200,000 and €299,000

And again their interpretation of “most people” is sketchy af -

Overall, 50% of the public suggested that a price between €200,000 and €299,000 was ‘affordable’.

https://www.thejournal.ie/affordable-housing-poll-5477459-Jun2021/

It always seems the people who are in favour of mass immigration correlate with the people who don’t have to live in the areas where the immigrants go.

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Christianity is increasing worldwide. What you are complaining about is the inter-spreading of religions everywhere in the world, not just to the west. This is a by product of globalisation.

Well here is a thing, in Europe and beyond there are no people killing in the name of the Church Of Ireland, god / Jesus , Judaism, Jehovah etc... on the other hand murders are occurring in the name of Islam

I'm only going to make one comment on your post Jack as I cant be bothered with the rest of your reply. How do Muslims learn about Islam, and to become Muslims? I'll let you into a little secret Jack, from a very early age, and I mean "early", they go to a muslim school, ( Local Mosque ) Jack, and learn all about Islam, reading, writing and studying Hadiths etc. Now that might not fit your definition of education, as the main subject taught is taken from the Quran, and its true that the majority of Afghans are unable to read or write English, French, German etc. But Pashto / Dari??? Different story. And as for Pakistan, its Urdu ( but there are several other languages spoken as well, depending on the region ) And as for learning from a very young age, google "Pakistani Madrassas". ( again it dedicated to the Quran, over western languages, but on the other hand, these madrassas have produced some of the finest Taliban ( Finest being subjective in this case ) that the world has ever seen.

Jack, when( and more importantly "IF" ) you decide to live for a few months or more in an Islamic Country, say Syria, Pakistan, or Afghanistan ( soon be open to tourism ( or maybe not......Ins'h Allah, but lots more of Stans out there to choose from ) and you have increased your understanding of Islam beyond what would fit on a postage stamp ( your words),and you but more weight on personal experience, rather then dismissing them as hearsay, or denigrating them to the status of "Just personal opinion " IE: worthless. Then we will continue this discussion.

I was always curious about persons from the *stans marrying Europeans, like it's always men from *stans marrying European women and always it's the women that convert to the foreign religion rather than the men converting to the local religion.