Kilkenny GAA Thread

Fred Daly · 19-09-2021 10:05pm

Lisdowney were missing a few to they played well in the first half had a good but seem to run out of steam in the second half .

DiscoStu22 · 20-09-2021 9:20am

If Mullinavat win do they jump ahead of O'Loughlins on head to head or is it based on scoring difference?

Senditinlow · 20-09-2021 7:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117913851#Comment_117913851

Scoring difference

Neewollah · 20-09-2021 8:46pm

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It was confirmed to me this evening by the County board that because they have played each other it is head to head. If they had not played each other it would have been score difference

blackcard · 20-09-2021 10:29pm

So unless The Rower beat The Bridge by at least 9 points, the order in Section A of the League is going to be as follows:

1 Village or The Bridge

2 Village or The Bridge

3 Tullaroan

4 Ballyhale

5 Lisdowney

6 The Rower

If Castlecomer beat Vat, they will be playing Lisdowney. Dicksboro would be playing The Rower, Vat would be playing Ballyhale, GB playing Tullaroan

If Comer lose by 4 points or less, they will be playing Ballyhale

If Comer lose by 6 points or more, they will be playing Tullaroan, GB playing Ballyhale

If Vat win, OLG finish third and play The Rower, Dicksboro play Lisdowney.

Surely Comer's safest option is to lose by 6 points and avoid Ballyhale?

Marrooned · 21-09-2021 10:11pm

Is there an u19 and u21 hurling championship in Kilkenny this year

usualstripes · 23-09-2021 8:19am

Good to see Tullogher in a Minor A county final. Had a decisive win over Bennettsbridge, albeit Bennettsbridge were short their injured minor county panellist. They have a well balanced all round team with some very good hurlers. Young Danny Glennon who was county as well being one their main men. Will be up against it v the Boro but they will give them a rattle id say.

blackcard · 23-09-2021 8:26pm

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Some very promising players, should serve Tullogher Rosbercon well in the next decade. Not sure if they have the strength in depth to beat the Boro

Village87 · 24-09-2021 8:43am

Boro were very good in patches in the second half v James Stephens. They hurled for 10 minutes and scored 2-7. They should have to much firepower for T/R. Village had a young enough team compared to Boro who had 14/15 up to the age. I'm not sure is that a positive or negative

dzer2 · 24-09-2021 1:05pm

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First of all I am not picking your post.

To me it shows the poor quality or the minor A that a one man team makes the final. The B championship is full of A teams such as Dunamaggin Ballycallan, maybe Tulleroan, Piltown. They may not win it but are definitely that quality. It's a failing of the county board that they aren't up in A. A few yrs back you had Comer Freshford Mooncoin and Martins all in A. Mooncoin won it beating a Boro team in the final who only beat St Martin's in the first round by a point, after some choice refereeing decisions.

usualstripes · 24-09-2021 2:50pm

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Im not sure if you are aiming this at Tullogher or Dicksboro but which or whether you are incorrect. Having seen both teams on a number of occasions this year they are certainly not one man teams. I presume though you are talking about Tullogher. Tullogher have 5 or 6 excellent hurlers and the balance are not far behind. Its a bit disrespectful to Dicksboro, Tullogher, James Stephens, O Loughlin's, Bennettsbridge and Gowran when you say they are poor quality. Graigue/Ballycallan are in B and certainly should be in A but that was a decision made by the committee in Kilmanagh at the start of the year. Dunammaggin too have a decent minor team having seen them twice this year but dont think they are necessarily an A team. Maybe im wrong. O Loughlins are poor this year at minor so id say the top 6 minor teams in the county are all in Roinn A except O Loughlins and Graigue/Ballycallan from Roinn B. Are you suggesting the 4 Roinn B teams you mentioned are better than 4 of the teams in Roinn A this year?

JJs Left Hand · 25-09-2021 10:49am

Graigue/Ballycallan are in B and certainly should be in A but that was a decision made by the committee in Kilmanagh at the start of the year.

That's the problem though why are clubs being allowed make that decision and not the county board in what's supposed to be your premier underage competition. Why are there only 6 clubs in minor A and 17 in minor B? Because everyone is afraid of taking a trimming off the Boro and to a lesser extent Gowran.

But that shouldn't be for clubs to decide. There should've been 12 clubs in A and 12 in B. Everyone gets 11 games in the league and yes you might take a scutching off the Boro but the rest of the games would've been pretty competitive. If you still want to let Naas and Rangers in for the league then you have two groups of 7.

Top 2 Kilkenny teams in each group get seeded into county quarter finals and the other 8 is an open draw first round. Winners move on and losers play an A shield competiton to guarantee everyone 2 championship games.

The 6 teams in A this year along with Ballycallan, Dunnamaggin, St Martins, Tullaroan, Kilmacow and one other should've been Roinn A. Anyone who knew that age group knows those are the 11 best teams (although most would've anticipated Emeralds being there as well and they seem to have regressed) and its the county boards job to know the age groups. By minor there's enough evidence for it.

But as long as you continue to let low numbers into A clubs are far more likely to resist moving up there as they're afraid they'll just take beatings in the limited games they're being offered. You have to offer meaningful games on a consistent basis instead of 5 games a year where you could take a beating in 3 of them.

And the less teams in A the poorer the overall standard in the county.

usualstripes · 25-09-2021 3:00pm

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Good points there and i would agree if there were 12 teams in A then you would improve the standard of the teams that should be there. Maybe there is a sense of fear for some clubs but as you say county board should be stronger on this.

usualstripes · 25-09-2021 3:03pm

Why was the decision made to only have 6 teams in Roinn A? Was it stemming from this fear of trimmings?

Senditinlow · 25-09-2021 4:35pm

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Graigue Ballycallan played Roinn A U15 with this group and didn't come within 15 pts of any opposition. Dunamaggin won Minor B last year, yet are still in B this year (15s also competed in Roinn B final). I agree too many teams hide in B at all grades but it's a numbers game. City teams have big numbers and only getting bigger. Well done Comer on last week's U13 A win, great to see country clubs winning A, no disrespect to city clubs

Neewollah · 25-09-2021 4:50pm

The 12 team Roinn A I'd fully ageee with. It would stand to teams much better in time despite 1 or 2 beatings they may take.

I don't understand how Dunnamaggin got to stay in B though. They won the grade last year and lost under 15 B final so surely the talent is there to compete. They also seem to be very comfortable in B this year. Bennettsbridge on the other hand lost the minor final to Dunnamaggin but beat them in the under 15 final and they went up to A.

blackcard · 25-09-2021 5:01pm

Bennettsbridge were not impressive in beating the Rower by 23 points to 19. Made a lot of mistakes turning over ball. Richie Leahy did well for the Rower, Kieran Joyce still doing a job at full back

Sean Morrissey was good for the Bridge before going off injured, David Blanchfield impressive at centre back.

OLG v Rower

Tullaroan v Comer

Ballyhale v Graigue Ballycallan

Dicksboro v Lisdowney

tbiggertycome · 25-09-2021 7:09pm

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Happened to be talking to a mother from Dunna today and she said it was all down to the managers ego. He wants to win a minor trophy with the group, knew they would do well in A but weren't guaranteed a trophy. So he lobbied for them to stay in B and they've been cruising through most games learning nothing and thinking their great lads. Unfortunately it's this type of narrow minded approach that leads to the situation, that and the lack of strength by the county board.

usualstripes · 25-09-2021 7:37pm

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Was talking to someone close to graigue/Ballycallan setup and seemingly they made a decision to stay in B also and try to win that and push on in A next year. Trouble with that thinking is that if you don't win it then you're plan is out the window. danesfort beat them in semi final today and they meet Dunnamaggin in b final.

Marrooned · 25-09-2021 7:51pm

I agree with JJ’s left hand about the situation in the minor A championship. it’s true that Dicksboro are an excellent side at the moment and look good for the minor title this year,but will have to be very careful of an excellent Tulougher/Rosbercon team who have made great strides over the last few years at under age level.This is no accident that they are in the final. The Village were poor at underage level the last few years and are coming through again .O’loughlins are not going well at the moment but they were the kingpins a few years ago.The city teams were not successful by chance it’s true they have the populations but it still has to be brought together I think the country towns throughout the county should be making better strides than what they are at the moment e.g. Castlecomer,Callan,Thomastown, piltown etc.,all these places have seen huge population increases in the last few years with many housing estates being built,they have the advantage of a closer knit community and local schools which the city clubs have not. One time the country clubs would love the chance of beating the soft townies in minor A. So JJ is right make the minor championship three groups as a trial and see how it goes playing and winning minor B is not progress if you are good enough for ronin A.

blackcard · 26-09-2021 12:25am

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Comer lost by 6 points

Alonzo Moseley · 26-09-2021 6:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117940090#Comment_117940090

Shocked I am. 😀

But on a serious note, it is a flaw in the league system that allows farces like this present themselves from time to time.

Ballyhale I think gamed the sytem well in 80s dumping out their biggest rivals Clara and Glenmore on two occassions, by losing to teams they could have easily beaten.

I think most teams if presented with oppurtunities like these will seize them, but it does leave a bad taste.

Formosa · 27-09-2021 10:20am

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Yes, was it 1988, Thomastown had surprised Clara then played B/H in the last round, both teams unbeaten, B/H lost to T'town then met & murdered them in the county final? Can't remember the specifics of the Glenmore year.

sportsmaddad · 27-09-2021 2:00pm

Now that all League rounds in Senior & Intermediate are done, does anyone have all the 1st Round pairings? Or know where you can find them on kilkennygaa ?

Is Junior that far advanced yet?

WhatsGoingOn2 · 27-09-2021 2:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117945416#Comment_117945416

https://kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures-results/

droppingball · 27-09-2021 2:22pm

Senior as above and intermediate is

Freshford v callan

Dunnamaggin v fenians

Conahy v danesfort

Olg v gowran

League final ttown v glenmore

Shield final st martins v carrickshock

Senior league final bridge v clara

Shield Senior Mullinavat v village

bamayang · 27-09-2021 7:59pm

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Do the Boro have 2 minor teams? Would it ever make sense for them in the long run to put in 2 even teams in A, and progress all their players more. They’d be sacrificing minor A finals, but it might be better for their senior team in long run

did someone mention before that cork now do this with Tony Forrestal teams, even spread rather than the best on one panel.

sportsmaddad · 27-09-2021 8:26pm

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Thanks, I see now how to filter out Senior and Inter Championships.

Still can't really figure our what stage Junior is at, only see 1 First round match. Anyone out there in the know?

Grats · 27-09-2021 8:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117947123#Comment_117947123

This might help, taken from Kilkenny GAA -

J J Kavanagh & Sons Junior Hurling Championship

Following the final round of games over the weekend the picture for the knockout stages became somewhat clearer. In Section A the draw was made for the first round tie – Tullogher Rosbercon v Cloneen. This game will be played next Sunday in Danesfort at 1pm. The winner here will join 3rd place finishers Kilmacow, Blacks and Whites and Galmoy in Pot 2 for the first round draws. They will be drawn against League Finalists Mooncoin, Windgap, St Patricks and Piltown in Pot 1. The remaining first round ties will be made up of 2nd place finishers Barrow Rangers, Graignamanagh, Emeralds and Slieverue who will be in pot 3. Round 2 games will be played on Weekending Oct 10th.

JJs Left Hand · 27-09-2021 8:39pm

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They had two teams last year. Their A team won Roinn A and their B team competed in Roinn B but it would've been stacked with lads from their 2019 U15 A winning team so wasn't your typical B team. I don't think they had two teams this year. James Stephens had 2 teams at U15 this year but their Bs took an awful hammering yesterday after their As won Roinn A on Saturday.

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