Something needs to be done about the conspiracy theories forum

Reporting is not conspiracy. It's not my job to lay out your thinking and in your conflation of events, you have done a disservice to any actual evidenced theory.

Not much of a conspiracy if same day reporting concluded it was an error?

Do you expect the military to instantly acknowledge an error without investigation?

The purpoted reason for the strike on the family is lain out in the link to the US press conference I gave. They acknowledged an error. Even if it was a conspiracy? To what end? Why were that family targete? Who gained? And why collapse the conspiracy so quickly?

It was an error, that you conflated with a separate attack on a planner.

So we've discovered that the one example of a true conspiracy theory was resolved and shown not to be true by asking the person proposing it a question and having them answer honest...

Hmm... fancy that.

To be fair to @patnor1011 I did pick a warning for civility earlier in the thread for referring to a poster as a Drama Queen.

But I think that's been about the closest to an insult from the "skeptic side" as there has been on here?

I do not know. It seems all is hunky dory over there.

Yet for some reason calling someone anti-masker, anti-vaxxer, covid denialist or conspiracy theorist seems just fine and normal. Even though they are meant to be derogatory and tend to provoke the same reaction.

I think one of the big issues here is that people are conflating the words "proof" and "evidence". In some cases I think this conflation is being done deliberately and on bad faith.

To most people "proof" is something definitive and concrete, as in "proved in a court of law". But this isn't what is being asked for in the forum.

Theorists are being asked for evidence, which are facts that support a particular idea. Sometimes though, it's not even that. It's just things like "what do you believe" or "why do you believe it" which don't require any external verification at all, just an honest answer.

What we're seeing is those reasonable things being classified as "demanding proof".

Ironic really, since most CTs are presented and defended with such a sense of certainty that you would be forgiven for thinking they already had proof.

Ah but I am not dodging anything. I think that quite a lot of theories were turned upside down as new facts or needs came into play.

Famous covid prediction models which claimed hundreds of millions of dead people if we do not lockdown which somehow failed to materialize in countries which had zero or minuscule restrictions.

We seen mask effectiveness or need being debunked then stressed quite a few times around. Obvious stuff, that not only your genetics but pretty much lifestyle choices determine what your chances are when you get it. Funny enough that while it was a norm until now with doctors stressing you need to keep healthy and fit it somehow does not apply on this one. God only knows why.

Possible lab leak, intentional or not is still at play (there is chinese dissident claiming it was deliberate release way back in sept19, not only him we see new and new documents and research coming out pertaining that some people were in fact playing god with corona viruses in Wuhan of all places).

If you uttered that vaccine to prevent infection by covid will not be available any time soon you ended up pretty much crucified (and still there isnt one available yet), or that there will not be enough of them (see Japan returning milions of doses due to hastily made contamination issues).

Ivermectin with possible therapeutic prophylactic properties will get you crazy label (despite that we can clearly see there is something to it because we do have data from countries which routinely use it and from India experience). That and mentioning of vitamins (which were used by chinese by truckload to clear up local outbreaks) that was one way ticket to CT sometimes with ban added for good measure.

All of these things and variations of them were and most of them still are deemed conspiracy lunatic stuff but this pandemic was simply hyped to something which it isn't and then no wonder that some people add on 5G, chips and lizards in the mix.

For the love of god there is post in vaccine forum where poster argue that since Bill Gates donated money to pharma industry for the last few years he should be considered as medical expert. I thought it was rather tax and business related strategy but what do I know...I learn new things every day.

Thanks for that 😉 as for your claim to not be dodging? You denied linking Covid and Conspiracy at all earlier.

Just for clarity I'll quote those denials and obfuscations below as an illustration of the effort that needs to be made to get an answer. From your denial to your acceptance and answer.

"You ask-

So I'd like to see your examples of proven Covid consparicies, please?

And I answer-

Where did I say anything about proven Covid conspiracies?

Would you kindly point to me where in my post to which you reacted did I use Covid conspiracy as my point which made you confused?

The above are 2 answers where you outright denied making the link. Multiple posters including myself asked you for clarity and you swerved each one. That's dodging,

You then provide a mistake and conflation of events in an allusion to a definitive conspiracy, which current facts and contemporary reporting point towards being massively incorrect on your part.

As for the rest of your post? I have no comment other than to acknowledge it and thank you for clearing up your previous error in denying linking Covid and Conspiracy.

I'd of course appreciate an apology for your implying that I was lying or incorrect in my comprehension of what you posted, but I won't expect it.

You lied, and you have the gall to question my honesty?

You ask to be pointed to your denial and obfuscation when I provided you verbatim quotes of your own posts?

If anything at all is indicative of the standard of posting in CT?

It's this.

Yes you did.

As for selective quoting, you denied ever linking Covid and Conspiracy at all.

The selective quotes are your denial of same.

Further you claimed a definitive conspiracy regarding the family killed in Kabul, based on nothing other than your faulty assumptions and conflation of 2 events. It is demonstrably wrong.

It has gone from you not making a claim, to your being selectively quoted? Only those quotes demonstrate that not only did you link Covid and Conspiracy, that you denied making the link. That's lying.

I'd appreciate that you withdraw your claim that I'm dishonest in my posting. You won't, I don't doubt that but the thing is?

Everyone can red your posts, your denials and your evading the questions until you finally answered and make their own mind up...

Most discussion on the forum exists in a sort of "grey area" between fact and fiction. What are taken as proven facts are often treated as fiction by users there (e.g. vaccines working, the moon landings, etc) and vice versa, fiction is presented as fact. The term "valid theory" may have a general meaning on normal forums, but on the conspiracy forum, where facts/reason/logic are often replaced by innuendo/gut instinct/pseudo-science it can mean something completely different.

You keep claiming this and things like it. But reality in the forum played out differently.

You claim that there's real theories out there, but those aren't the ones being presented on the conspiracy forum. We got all the claims about 5G and mircochips and marks of the beast. We've had conspiracy theorists claim that the vaccines are part of a communist/fascist depopulation plot. We were told that the virus didn't just leak from a lab, but was entirely man made and made for the purpose of either a bioweapon or to cause the pandemic as part of a giant global plot.

You yourself were there claiming that the side effects of the vaccine were worse than reports and were being covered up. (And you got caught out lying to do so.)

And then to top it off, you post contains several inaccuracies. For example:

No vaccine can guarantee total prevention from infection. No one claims otherwise. You know that, yet you claim this anyway.

And in Japan, only withdrew 1.6 million (ie. not millions) doses of the moderna vaccine. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/09/10/national/moderna-deaths-findings/

This has not caused a very noticeable affect on the rate of vaccinations. https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/japan/

Just because you believe in aspects of the conspiracy theory you deem to be valid, it doesn't mean that these aspects are any more valid or supported or true than the parts you deem invalid. Especially when you claim things that don't turn out to be true when they are examined more deeply.

Your posts have pointed out the need to ask questions and hold conspiracy theories up to scrutiny.

On some cases though conspiracy theorists won't even say "I believe x is happening".