What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Muslims marrying non- muslims is forbidden in the Quran. And I have a friend ( From Denmark ) who fell in love with a beautifull Ethiopian lady. To do so, he had to go through the motions of converting to Islam, which he did, on the clear understanding that he was a devout atheist, and would never convert to any religion, which she accepted at the time, no problem, and they went on to have two beautifull daughters ( which were reared as Muslim's ) Fast forward 20 odd years, and wife's Islam kicks in. Husband has to become 100% full Muslim, the full Islam, pray 5 times a day, observe Ramadan fasting, no alcohol ( for a Dane???? ) or else marriage is over, Finito. And so it was. Now my friend, who is in his late 50's, and looking forward to retirement, and enjoying Family life is faced with either starting over again with a new partner, and as he says himself, its too late to have any more kids, He has a good relationship with his daughters though and thats something, but after supporting and financing the Family for 20+ odd years, he's definitely getting worst of the bargain. So for anyone thinking about marrying a Muslim Lady /Gentleman, think twice about it, it's good advice, if you are not a Muslim to begin with.

Jack,

Quote: The point you keep missing though, is that I’m not interested in multiculturalism in the Stans, I’m interested in discussing multiculturalism here in the West, more specifically in Ireland, and how it relates to Irish society. It’s obviously a different conversation you want to be having if you’re telling me I have to visit the Stans to experience Islam in the Stans for myself, but that’s never been my point.Unquote.

And my point is also relevant to multiculture especially the effect Islam is having and wlll have down the road here in Ireland. Other country's experience with Islam have not been good, as increasingly being seen ( France, England, Germany etc) Muslims bring their Religion when they move to another Country, they do not change. They cannot change, and still remain Muslims. Its a bit like the old Irish saying " If you want to know me, come and live with me" This was never more true than in the case of Islam. Don't put any weight on the Muslims living here, and how they act,,,travel to the Countrys they came from live with them, see how they live ( especially how non-muslims are treated, and I've seen it Jack. In Spade's!!! ) Ask your self is this what I want for my Country? Because Jack, Islam is and always has been in expansion mode, whether you agree with that or not, and having lived in several Islamic Countrya, both Shia / Sunni, for 24 years, and seen the best and the worst that Islam has to offer, I'm not a fan overall. You are in dismissal mode when anyone ( me or others ) raises the possibility that Islam could gain strong foot hold here, I'm a Fearmonger etc. But a question Jack, can you state positively that Islam will never,ever gain a foothold in this country? Thats not something I would not take a bet on.....like the Taliban often said, " The US have the watches, but we have the time"

And no Jack, I'm not interested in having a conversation with anyone, who just dismisses another poster opinions / viewpoints in terms of " Thats only your opinion, it's not relevent, its only hearsay, you are over egging the pudding" and other remarks in a similar vein etc, even when that opinion is backed up with 20 + years of experiece. Yet you, who have no actual experience of Islam, only what you have heard ( the definite "hearsay) talk about it like you are an expert? But one thing we can agree on Jack,is the amont you actully know about Islam would definitely fit on the back of a postage stamp.

My views on multiculturalism in Ireland have been formed by living in north Dublin for nearly twenty years and witnessing the heartbreaking and frightening breakdown of society during that time. Communities scattered all across the northern half of this county have for years now been experiencing the spectacularly abusive behaviour of young African adults and teenagers, the first born generation of African economic migrants (AKA 'refugees')

The article below somehow miraculously made its way into the mainstream media. Scores and scores of similarly violent and repulsive incidents have been ignored for years. I personally know of them having happened regularly in Clontarf, Portmarnock and Malahide, not to mention the routine terrorising of residents in Balbriggan, Bettystown, Laytown and Dublin 15, where they themselves live.

The people I'm most angry with are their parents. How dare they let their children treat us like this when we took them in and gave them everything they have while our own people got on boats and planes to make their lives elsewhere because of the outrageous cost of rent and the chronic shortage of affordable and social housing in this country - housing that they themselves occupy in significant numbers on any north Dublin housing estate built in the last thirty years?

Don't anybody bother their arse telling me we have scrotes of our own. We do, we always have, but they do not and have never travelled in packs of up to one hundred wearing walky-talkies on their heads to coordinate the brutalisation of pregnant women and children. This is new behaviour, and it's the behaviour of spectacularly violent skum. In the article below a heavily pregnant woman was threatened in front of her five year old niece that her baby would be cut out of her belly and chopped up in front of her! If I thought my son was out behaving like that it wouldn't be the law he'd have to worry about; it'd be me.

Isn't it interesting to note too that when the offspring of African migrants decide to travel further afield on public transport for their smashing, battering and mugging sprees they exclusively target middle class areas? Not a coincidence, as is evidenced in the term they use to describe it - "posh bashing". There's nothing to be jealous of in Sheriff Street or Darndale I suppose.

How much longer do we have to be terrorised before the government acts? I suspect until the day these skumbags spend another twenty minutes on the train and make their way to Dublin 4.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/gang-thug-threatens-cut-baby-15380313

My problem is routine violence and unfortunately for me I don't need to rely on a news source for it; I see it outside my front door.

Speaking of news sources, if the shoe was on the other foot and it was gangs of 100+ Irish lads storming through Balbriggan attacking African women and children it'd be all over the mainstream print media and the evening news, and rightly so.

Do you think native Irish communities deserve to be ignored when we are brutalised? If so, why?

Laughably, on the almost-never occasions these stories make their way into the pages of the Irish Times, the IT simply refuse to describe them! You tell me how a person is supposed to be identified if they are not described? And how the fook is it possible to describe three young men of African descent without mentioning that they are black?!

Yes, Bubblypop thats true. Because generally ( but not exclusively) its from the really hard line Islamic countrys we tend to get the hardline radical Islamists. But in even moderate Islamic countrys, a lot depends on what is taught in the Mosques. Its the actual teaching in the Mosques and Madrassas, where ever they are located, is the real problem. Saudi Arabia on one hand, is a big financial backer of both radical and moderate Sunni Islam , and its propagation world wide. Iran supports Shia Islam, with the same aim's...propagation world wide , including terrorism. But any Muslim Country or even a Muslim enclave in the EU, can and has produced radical islamists, as we know only too well. Even in present day Sarajevo, there are radical Islamists who stayed on after the war. And they have made big changes to the Moderate Islam that was the norm previously. Its increasingly becoming more and more hardline. So bad in fact that a Muslim friend from Sarajevo, has told me that he has relocated to Split.....he does not like what is happening there now.

No, I will not be discounting the evidence of my own eyes on the advice of some randomer on a public discussion board, thanks. I know what myself and my neighbours have been on the receiving end of for well over a decade. The decline in our quality of life is all the more sickening for its denial and dismissal by others who are lucky not to be personally experiencing it.

And for any property owners who happen to be reading this from better-off areas along the Malahide dartline - some serious advice: if you are anywhere near your local dart station, sell your houses. The dart line is about to be extended beyond Malahide all the way to Drougheda, and when that happens what is currently a bi-monthly spree of savagery will be far more frequent, probably weekly. Your quality of life will be in the gutter, along with the value of your homes.

It matters, If we ensure they don’t get here, we ensure their ideology doesn’t gain foundation and traction, nobody dies or gets convicted of anything.

You're living in a fantasy world if you actually think that.

End of story Bubblepop, I'm done with your twisting and turning. Klaz was right.