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Female James Bond on the horizon.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,249 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    ian fleming died several years before the current bond actor was even born. why should the series be so welded to 55 year old ideas?

    either bond is the same person all along, or else they could admit that it's a codename and cast anyone. if it's the same person all along, they've barely aged in 60 years of the movies, so the notion we have to stick to some sort of 'reality' about who bond is, has no meaning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,470 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    A female bond won't work imo

    Who wants to watch bond struggle to park the Aston Martin outside a plush pad in some scenic setting



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    Wait till you see himself in this new yoke peeling apples and making crepes for some infant girl on a Sunday morning

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Female Bond my arse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Only OOs have a license to kill.

    They must have had whole platoons of them in Northern Ireland back in the day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,566 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    That's just not going to work, by virtue of that fact that the name James Bond has been central to the entire series. Any agent could, presumably, be a 007 (and one would assume that there have been numerous 007's OHMSS) but so far that's just been James in the series and that's part of the formula that has worked. A change from that particular formula, while it might thrill the schadenfreude of some people, won't do anything of any use in real terms.

    In the end, Bond is (technically) the same guy, albeit tailored for each separate era (and actor).

    It's true, in theory, that the 007 code can be given to Jimmy Scrambles from Lewisham (or even Jenny Scrambles), but to do so is a really big risk for the producers.

    I suppose at the initial changeover from Connery to Lazenby, it would have been wise to simply say that 007 is now John and not James. But they missed that particular boat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What if Bond gets an in universe sex change at the start of the movie. Then it's still the 80 odd year old James we were always watching but a lady now.

    Or did Flemming clearly state Bond is definitely not secretly trans or something



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,566 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Do you really think that's even remotely close to happening B?

    That sounds like a John Waters Movie. Which, in fairness, I'd pay to see. 😆



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Daniel Craig should come out tomorrow and say he's a woman now. Then we can have our first woman Bond!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I don't see anything other than a white man for the next Bond but it ain't gonna stop EON blasting out the rumours for the media coverage



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    a butch bisexual woman could fit the bill, i think🤨



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,790 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    maybe an Irish Bond? ...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Nah cant be having Limericks finest joining the British army. Bring her in as the next villain instead



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,281 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    I think the franchise has thoroughly run its course, let Craig be the last Bond, or maybe just one more male 007 before he retires. The whole gist of the character belongs to the past IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,834 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    the character James Bond is 007... the clue is in the name...a male.

    By the wacky logic suggested by some Ms Marple should make a comeback played by Dani DeVito... or a remake of wonder woman starring Tom Hanks... ughhh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,691 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Elliot Page , ticks all the boxes lol. Michael Fassbender is the only name I saw that peaked an interest for me.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    How many times now have we had the stupid remake a woman show with a man line now. That lame joke seems to get regurgitated at least once a page here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Fassbinder is by far the best suggestion I have seen so far. Gives you everything needed without the over the top English post that the likes of Hiddleston have



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,834 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    It’s exactly the same context as James Bond 007. 007 IS James Bond, James Bond IS a guy... if 007 was just a load of randomer agents...Dennis Smith, Marie Brady, Clive Matthews, Sarah Nolan... grand... 007 is whoever, whichever gender... but.. the template for this would have had to be set long before now in Ian Flemings books. 007 IS James Bond, who is a man. He has a certain personality, backstory and people have buy in and expectations of the long established character... that are faithful to the books, the character in the original story...the development of HIS story...from 60+ years would loose credibility should a female 007, Bond arrive. It’s no longer James Bond.... it’s a soy thriller, that’s it..

    0017 spinoff, grand, her own story, grand... but fûcking with an existing plot, story that’s entertained and that people are familiar with... no, it would bomb.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    My issue isnt what you are trying to point out it's that you are making the same tired statement over and over and thinking it's witty.

    How about try making an original comment and not something we have all heard a million times on a millions forums.

    Btw for anyone waffling on about how HE was written by Fleming and how HE needs to stay true to character you could at least use the code name Fleming wrote for him which is OO7 not 007



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,834 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    no I’m not trying to be witty no... just enabling my view as best I can, if that is an issue for you I don’t really care, sorry.

    an original comment ? I’m just here to discuss the topic, if it’s not original enough for you that’s your issue, I’m not of the mind to worry about it.

    ill use whatever code name I like, people as you are, are aware of 007 being James Bond but thanks, you succeeded in simply being pedantic. :)

    how long before people are clamoring for 007 / James Bond then to be a person of the LGTB community... black, Asian, gender fluid or whatever else....? To the point the traditional character and their identity would be diluted...changed

    what other established characters, stories, traditional fixtures of fiction, beloved by many and enjoyed in their true original guises for decades might the actual clamor for ‘change’ just so certain communities feel ‘represented’... it’s all gone a bit fûcked up out there :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    You can't use any code name you like Fleming wrote it as OO7 not zero zero 7 that's the legacy that's what he wrote you ant change what he wrote it's sacred.

    As for the last paragraph almost every story has been changed , redone or rebooted it's not a new thing. Scarface wasn't crap when Pacino done it despite major changes, all the different King Arthur's, Robin Hoods and I bet a lot of the things people think are "original" are not. If you actually cared about "original" Bond and not some crusade against modern culture you would hate all OO7 stories not written by Fleming



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,834 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    You can, such is the ability in a democracy :) I don’t ever recall seeing OO7, do you have any corroboration on that ?

    “ almost every story has been changed “. I think we’ll leave it there :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well in a democracy we can change Bond to a woman and still call her James



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,834 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    You call her Maureen but like making Bond a woman it makes feck all sense :)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,039 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Could see them making OO7 a woman but I don’t see why she would have to be a Bond, though. Unless that is also a “code name” or designation.

    Maybe they could do what’s been done with the whole Marvel “universe” where they’ve turned the comic books for kids into a variety of different films going off in all directions with other “characters”. Make it a Bond “universe”.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,566 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Movies are democracies now?

    🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,790 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    i'm still none the wiser after this, but its definitely double oh, not oh-oh...


    Ian Fleming was clear on how Bond's code number should be pronounced – in Casino Royale (1953), Head of Section S thinks the Le Chiffre job will go to “one of the Double-Os” (Chapter 3), and in From Russia, with Love (1957), the Soviet dossier on Bond mentions Bond's “double 0 numerals” (Chapter 6)

     A somewhat egregious use of O-O-Seven is found in the film From Russia With Love (1963). Robert Shaw's Red Grant tells Bond to “take it easy, O-O-Seven.” It could be argued, of course, that this is a deliberate mistake offering Bond a clue that Grant is an enemy agent,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,039 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    A lot of the “upset” in this thread really comes across like the video of that weener guy crying about wrestling being ‘real to me’.

    Bond is a character and, as such, is at the “whim” of the writers. There was some whinging when Daniel Craig was first unveiled because he was blonde.

    You get the same griping when some fairy, or elf, character is changed into a woman in one of those goblin stories or a superhero is portrayed by an actor of colour. Lots of overweight lads in ill-fitting metal band, or craft ale, t-shirts getting themselves all “worked up” online about it.

    I guess it keeps them off the streets.

    Post edited by EmmetSpiceland on

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Apparently they are democracies sometimes and have to strictly adhere to the original source material sometimes which means zero zero seven can drink Heineken be Blofelds brother and still be an active spy at the age of 90 but can't be black, gay or a woman



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    You know your life is well sorted and not much is wrong, if you can get worked up about the James Bond movie franchise.

    An arrogant British spy harking back to the cold war era when Britain was important in the world.

    I personally couldn't care less if the whole James Bond franchise was wound up.

    I suspect a lot of the people getting worked up about this aren't even fans of the movies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,834 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Well, The only thing keeping me off the streets is the weather, ....

    i don’t think people are ‘upset’ more expressing dissatisfaction that a character they’ve gotten used to and enjoyed over decades, the storylines, facets and the nuances of the character could be changed to a different person of an alternate gender... why ? I’d be of exactly the same view if another stalwart of fiction and entertainment was changed be in whatever direction... away from how it was written and portrayed for X years.

    Bond IS a character, he is a character that appeared in 1952 and is a guy called James.... that’s how he was written, conceived and enjoyed... so write a female spy and get on with it instead of tinkering with an established story. :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I wouldn't say people are upset either. Triggered is a much more accurate term 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,834 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Funny that I actually have a magnum in my hand, an ice cream fortunately. :0



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    You'd kinda assume that a Lara Croft character would be a shoe in for a female Bond. Who cares about whether it makes sense, it'd put bums on the seats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,566 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Bond is a character and, as such, is at the “whim” of the writers.

    There are limits however. If a writer suddenly decided that Bond could fly (without the use of any machinery) or that we find out that he's actually an alien from another planet (which could possibly have happened during Moore's stint 😆 ), it would just be as ridiculous as making him a woman all of a sudden.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I saw somewhere recently someone suggest that in changing these characters as opposed to developing new ones what they're actually doing is purposely destroying the art of the old order..It's not just woke tokenism or whatever, but an attempt to destroy the heroic archetype of the society..It's actual psychological warfare that's actually designed to offend, and delete the cultural references..



    If they do do it though they should have Craig go through the whole life crisis episode, and start going through hormone treatment and walking around in dodgy high heels or whatever..portray his pre and post op development etc..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,834 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    What about replacing Lara Croft with a guy ? Anybody?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,480 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    My name is Bond, James Bond

    James? That's an unusual name for a woman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,128 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭PhiloCypher


    That someone somewhere needs to get a life. "Psychological warfare" good grief. The only thing worse then the overly dramatic takes from one side of culture war divide is the sky is falling takes it provokes from the other. The sexist older movies were of their time, the Craig movies were of their time, whatever comes next will be of its time. All that "should" matter is that they are entertaining.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,318 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Will you stop. That is just stupid. What has that got to do with anything? Who in there right mind would want to de evolve? because that is basically what someone would be doing if they could do that.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,318 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I do not see a problem with a Woman been named James or Micheal or Sean as long as she is happy with it. Sure there is men mostly in France called Michele. They have no problem with it. A name is a name. Like clothes names do not have a gender.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    France isn't exactly great example. Everything has a gender, from chairs, trees, to the food on the table. Must confuse the hell out of their version of the non labelists who label everything and miss the irony. Now I'm sure it's great to be so right on(and often the type is monumentally smug) and that nothing matters, it's all relativistic and sure so long as you identify as happy or whatever then isn't life grand. Granted it's a lofty, if fuzzy goal. Meanwhile in the real world... Name your son Christine and see how he thanks you. 😁 Michele is the male French Michael, Michelle is the female French Michael. It's become a unisex name over centuries, like Patrick and Patricia but there is still *gasp a gender difference.

    ... awaits projection about me being angry, male and old or something...

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Wut? To be fair both posts confused the hell out of me.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It just feels like yet another 20th Century institution that has just been eroded and ground down until it no longer represents the same thing that initially garnered it so much love and respect in the first place.


    Everything that I once looked up to as being the height of excellence - from Universities, sports, quality newspapers/magazines like anything with "Times" in the name, Hollywood films, Cadbury's chocolate (and Toblerones) - everything is just a pale shadow of what it once was. It makes me sad.



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    I'd be curious to see a survey of women to see whether they would want a female Bond. My guess is that mos women would NOT be in favour of it.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Times change. I mean if boards was around in the 60's you'd have had people complaining about the sex and violence in this new Bond flic and how it's nothing like a Gene Kelly flic. I would say it's more noticeable nowadays because of the rise of franchises that didn't really exist before the mid 70's. Star Wars really kicked it off, but Bond was already a franchise. Actually I can't think of another earlier one off the top of my head?

    The thing with franchises is they change with the times and the expectations of the audiences to keep bums on seats. We see this very much with Bond. Connery's Bond was quite different to Moores. The latter became very 70's camp. Dalton's was very much of the 80's, as Brosnan's was of the 90's. Then Bourne came along and made Bond look out of touch so they got Craig in and Bourned it up, with added introspection and angst for the character, because that's more in play now. Plus it would be very much more in play with the luvvies who write and direct it, just as Cold War derring do was for the luvvies of Sean's time.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    After watching this new 007 yoke I couldn't give a tinkers damn what James Bond is, woman, man, donkey, whatever. What I am sick of is having these rubbish emotive family storylines involving husbands, wives, kids, adopted step-brothers etc... in what are supposed to be ACTION movies. I go to the cinema to watch action films to get away for 90 minutes from all that noise I have to put up with every other 8600 hours of the f**king year.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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    I understand that every generation detests the generation that follows them. But I can't help feeling that my generation is different. I just don't think comparing 2021 to 2001 is the same thing as comparing 2001 to 1981.


    I believe social media has distorted society quite a lot. I think modern life is very much like a recycled version of what it used to be. Young people are more passionate about that things that garner 'Likes' than pretty much anything else.


    And Hollywood has been taken over by wokeists who are competing with each other for woke points, trying to outdo each other at every turn. They only hire like-minded people.



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