Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

oh an on this, multiple means more than one, so maybe one or two strikes and then you are fined, made resit a portion of your exam something like that. Id have thought you would agree with me but you seem more interesting in engaging in an argument.

You misunderstand me i think, im not a daily motorist, i commute via walking and the dart, i tried cycling but i wasnt worth the hassle but i am not some staunch motorist the way you are a staunch cyclist.

Another factor to consider is that the world will change, probably pretty soon, autonomous cars will come and it will take driver error and breaking red lights etc completely out of the equation. I imagine in the next 15 years, i dont see my kids learning to drive to be honest. In that scenario there will have to be some formal structures around cycling. Why not start now, get ahead of it.

Dear god, what does that even mean?

Incorrect, where did i say an 11 year old would have a mandatory test, i was pretty clear what age it was.

If a 10 year old is caught unaccompanied then its the same process if you catch a 10 year old doing something else illegal (but a relatively minor offence).

and again you are letting your bias cloud your ability to read and comprehend, the rigourous enforcement comment was more related to drivers breaking the law.

slow down, read and understand, rather than trying to make yourself look clever and failing.

If you thought about it, a logical extension is that ownership of a bike would require registration of that ownership so that resolves most of your queries regarding documents, proof of age, compliance etc.

Your straw child 5 year old, are they breaking the law or not? (Remember i said public road, thats different to public place) if they are then whats the question. Is it ok to commit illegal acts near your house now?

As to confiscation and penalties etc i mean you would have to flesh all that out.

And you accuse Andrew (#3235) of avoiding answering questions? Really??

It seems that your knowledge of the application of the law or constitution is, limited at best, so really as it is your madcap proposal, it is up to you to flesh it out!!

I can't wait!

madcap proposal?

improving road safety for everyone and putting some structures around cyclists as road users (with the intention of protecting young cyclists) is mad cap?

Given that you have solely focused on that, am i to assume that my proposal of fining drivers for breaking red lights given we have and have had the technology to identify it happening for years is also mad cap?

you are so intent on going out of your way to disagree with me that i have to assume that is your sole intention.

I will be sure to attend your next lecture on constitutional law.

thanks for your considered advice ill be sure to give it the consideration it warrants.

In think we may have drifted off topic somewhat.

Wait till you hear about cars, TP.

If you want to protect young cyclists, get drivers to slow down, put their phones down, and overtake safely. You don't need new laws and regulations. You just need drivers to start obeying traffic laws.

did i not say stricter enforcement on traffice offences would be desirable?

It's everyone's responsibility to keep safe when I practice my knife throwing and fire eating routine outside your kid's school at going home time, not just mine.

Actually, according to a nationwide study by the Road Safety Authority, 98% of drivers break 30kph speed limits. Over half break 50kph limits. Extracts:

The percentage of car drivers breaking the speed limit on urban roads was 52% (57% in 2016); when residential roads are excluded, this rises to 65% (71% in 2016) for all other urban national roads.

At the Urban National 30km/h location, only 3 out of the 140 cars sampled was travelling at or under the 30 km/h speed limit. At one of the Urban Residential locations, a vehicle was recorded travelling at 67km/h.

Full report:

So, I think Andrew has some good statistical backing for what he claims. Not sure about others.

The sample size for the 30 km zone was 140 cars.

I can say that saying 98 percent of drivers break urban speed limits is not an accurate statement. Which is what I said.