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ISI Fighter Shamima Begum Not allowed to return to the UK

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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,526 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    Not quite automatic


    If a child is born in Bangladeshi territory or to a Bangladeshi mother or father abroad, then their citizenship is automatic. Application for citizenship is dependent upon access to identity documents such as Birth Certificates, national ID cards and access to a Bangladeshi Consulate if born abroad



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,099 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    it was more then an opinion, and ultimately a government minister of bangladesh is going to know about the country's own laws better then those of other countries.

    so i can take it therefore that you have no reason as to why i should disbelieve bangladesh on what it states, which realistically there isn't one, as they have less of a reason to lie, by miles unlike britain.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,099 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    well it's not her x country, it's her country of origin and will always be, the stripping of her citizenship by that country realistically is irrelevant as making someone stateless is illegal under international law and the country where she resides isn't keeping her long term, and none of the other countries her country of origin has tried to palm her off on will be taking her.

    it is those countries i side with, it is those countries who are in the right, and who must have their right upheld at any cost, so as to insure that we can continue to be able to deport foreign criminals to their countries of origin.

    seeing as you support britain, would you support bangladesh refusing to take back a bangladesh born citizen with british citizenship? after all if britain can try and palm off a british citizen on a country they don't belong to, then it must be okay for other countries to do that to britain? and if not why not?

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,828 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Of course Bangladesh should do that if it could.


    States used be bound to protect the safety of their population from external threats.


    Now, not so much, that's old fashioned and so lumpen prole.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,828 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,099 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    thank you for being honest.

    now, would and should that apply to all criminality and criminals where and when a country is trying to deport them back to their country of origin? their country of origin should be able to strip them of their citizenship if they have citizenship of the country they are in and are being deported from? or might have a chance of gaining citizenship of the deporting country or another country?

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,828 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Bangladesh is a common law country with judicial precedent is enshrined in law there.


    The law is clear and there is new and similar cases every day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Interesting that she dropped the hijab and changed her look completely. I'm pretty sure she doesn't possess a lot of knowledge on Public Relations. It would be interesting to trace to see where her professional advice is coming from and who is funding it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling



    It's likely a legal firm who will get a large pay day compliments of the British taxpayer whether they win or lose the case



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,432 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    bound to be a slew of NGO's in the background, I'd imagine most people in the camp dont have access to world class makeovers

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Tyson Red Sadness



    No, she doesn't.

    If person is born to Bangladeshi parents in another country (UK for example) and remains there, the child's citizenship is in a dormant state until the child reaches 21. At the age of the 21 the citizenship expires unless the child has made an effort to retain it.

    Begum has made no such effort and as a result, stopped being, and lost claim to being, a Bangladeshi citizen when she turned 21.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,639 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Doesn't the argument go that the decision to revoke her citizenship took place when she was under 21 and so was still a citizen of Bangladesh, even if that was in a 'dormant state', and thus, by revoking her British citizenship, it became impossible for her Bangladeshi citizenship to expire as it would then be the Bangladeshi state leaving her stateless.

    The real issue for me is that we will possibly never get to hear this actually argued in court, as although she does have a legal right to appeal, and also a right to contribute to her own defence (which she cannot fully make from outside the UK), the decision was made that those rights can effectively be suspended as long as her return to country represents a certain level of threat to the security of the UK.

    As somebody who would have had no issue whatsoever had I heard that Begum had been lined up against a wall by the Kurds (or anybody else), it's still an absolute bullsh!t decision.

    Post edited by osarusan on


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I see she gave an interview recently , after saying she could be an asset to antiterrorism ,turns around and said she would never identify the other British members of Isis ,as this was a red line ......



  • Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lol



  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    or is funded by islamic fellow travellers as a test case. if she gets through the system, every other jihadi criminal will follow



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,099 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    they won't unless they are in the exact same situation as her or the couple of others in that very unique situation.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They don't need to put their hands in their pockets. Just look at this thread and across boards and the internet and our politicians, plenty of people happy to support them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,099 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    it's more about supporting international law and the concept of not palming by-birth citizens off on other countries based on a slight link to those countries, rather then the individuals themselves.

    after all we all want our countries to be able to deport foreign criminals home, which would become impossible if cases like this became the norm, which they would if britain got away with this.

    Post edited by end of the road on

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    she rejected her UK citizenship. she is a defacto Bangladeshi citizen by their rules. There are still pockets of ISIS scattered about the world, so she can go to Western Sahara, Libya, parts of Nigeria etc if she wants



  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    by no means a unique situation. there are thousands in her same situation. also Islamic fronts are big into funding certain charities, advocactes and human rights organisations, and i would suspect a lot of largesse get thrown towards friendly journalists



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,099 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    it is a unique situation.

    she is in a different situation to the other thousands as are a couple of others, being by-birth citizens stripped of their citizenship by their country in an attempt to bully other countries which they have a small link to, into taking them on.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Not going to change the fact she's not going to England



  • Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭geekychick


    ……….



  • Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Norrie Rugger Head


    Just a question. If a 14 year old girl was groomed by sex traffickers instead of terrorism traffickers would you have the same idea about them being punished?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,316 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    But thats not what happened is it ?

    she aligned herself willingly with a group that she thought would put here in a powerful position over her fellow humans.

    She sought to join a sect of clearly and obviously evil religious cult whos stated goal was to rape and pillage the western world and destroy its civilizations in favor of its own brand of extreme and ruthless control ,

    f her and all her ilk , Lisa smith very much included they should be left in the desert to die live so many of their victims



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,777 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    No, that is in no way comparable whatsoever to this case.

    She was a religious loon from a perfectly good family home who went off knowing exactly what she was getting in to, a simple Google search and wall to wall coverage in the news could have told her what laid ahead for her, she's the author of her own misfortune.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,100 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    She was born and radicalised in Britain so she is their problem. They shouldn't be allowed to abdicate their responsibility to Bangledesh and Syria.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,099 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    regardless of what happened the question is valid because the question clearly shows up what is really going on here.

    britain originally supported isis, funded and trained them.

    now they expect the syrians or whoever to take on their rubbish when they partly caused the problem and didn't bother to police their borders.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,099 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    it is comparable in terms of the double standards that are in place and how what is excepted normally can change when it suits a government with an agenda.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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